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[–] IhaveCrabs111@lemmy.world 74 points 2 months ago (12 children)

I’m really liking all this talk from so many world leaders about nuking each other. I think we’re on the right track here

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 27 points 2 months ago (10 children)

Honestly? It’s a great deterrent. Have you heard of a nuclear power being attacked for real? Ukraine disarmed voluntarily and see where that got them. Everyone should get nukes and threaten everyone (or „warn” if you’re Israel).

Mexican standoff nuclear doctrine, you’ve heard it here first.

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

MAD only assumes inevitability of retaliation. Mexican Standoff doctrine adds complete global proliferation so that nobody can be bullied.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

... and it only works if all governments are rational actors that can reliably safeguard their nuclear stockpile. If either of those cease to be true, Bad Things^TM^ happen.

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 months ago

You live in a state with nukes, opinion disregarded.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can insaneify this further:

Not only have total nuclear armament for every country on Earth...

Every country on Earth also employs Israel's Samson Doctrine.

Which is: If we're going down, we are sending a nuke at every nearby capital we can, ally, foe, neutral, doesn't matter; if we can't exist, no one can.

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 months ago

Which is: If we're going down, we are sending a nuke at every nearby capital we can, ally, foe, neutral, doesn't matter; if we can't exist, no one can.

And that guarantees they’re never going to be existentially threatened. Now let’s have that for everyone so it’s actually fair.

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

so it's either everybody or nobody, makes sense

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Alternative is nuclear powers do what they want to everyone else. As someone living in a non-nuclear capable state I think that’s something that should be fixed asap, for our benefit, and others must be thinking that too. Especially after how worthless security guarantees turned out to be.

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