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Was reminded how Epstien not killing himself was/is so accepted yet it’s still a conspiracy theory. Is there any similar ones you guys believe to be completely true ?

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[–] jantin@lemmy.world 58 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Was there a massive behind-the-scenes NWO plan between billionnaires, old aristocracy and top politicians to fuck up the world, reduce population etc? No, the world ran its natural, chaotic course for most of history.

Is there this kind of conspiracy now?

ABSOLUTELY YES.

In 2023 it is not possible to have any influence and not be aware of the climate disaster. Anyone who does have big influence and does not act to mitigate warming and its consequences is doing it willingly and with full conscience. Doubly so if they act to worsen the situation. It's almost like the elites read some of the crackhead theories and thought "hey, this is actually a decent plan!"

[–] JoBo@feddit.uk 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It might feel almost like that but there's no conspiracy, just power doing what only power can: protecting itself. These people have billions tied up in fossil fuels; oil wells and coal mines but also the products which rely on them. Tesla is only profitable because it sells its carbon credits to carbon-reliant manufacturers.

None of these people would exactly be left in dire straits if we stopped using carbon fuels tomorrow. But they would lose most of their wealth and thus most of their power.

There are undoubtedly small-scale conspiracies, such as various oil companies covering up what they knew about global warming decades ago, or misleading accounts of emissions. But there is no grand (explicit) conspiracy, just tips and tricks and extremely rich people refusing to become merely rich. Even if it means planning escape bunkers and working out how to control the servants they will need to take with them when their money means nothing any more.

[–] jantin@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Yes. And they know protecting themselves means destroying lives of billions so they need to make sure the billions won't go after them. And since the masses are also aware of the situation it means at least short-term planning against the people. This requires at least basic coordination between interest groups and gradual capturing of whatever means of power are still left for the masses. Then they figure out how easy it is to wield even more power and off we go to the land of the tin foil headwear.

[–] jantin@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'd put the cutoff between the "natural" history and emerging NWO around 1995. From whatever little I know the Clinton administration wanted to seriously tackle climate change and use it to reestablish the US as global leader in some regards. In 1992 the first attempt at global climate treaty was sabotaged by big business lobby and it kinda went downhill from there.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 years ago

One of the first things Reagan did when he took office was take down the solar panels from the White House that Jimmy Carter had put up there.

[–] Treevan@aussie.zone 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] jantin@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

fascinating, and also good to have it all in one place.

the subtle bitcoin shill at the end is a cherry on top.

No doubt some bullshit happened in economic policies and capitalist influence, oil crises had their hand, but 1971 is conveniently 26 years after the end of WW2. Which means the boomers entered the job market and society for real.

[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago