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Funny how I never have an issue of women being “unfair” to me yet you constantly do. I wonder what the difference between us is?
Reading comprehension is required.
I didn't say I have an issue with women being unfair to me. I said they often get accused of debating unfairly, and they do. Listen to a few stand-up comedians, and you'll hear plenty of jokes about how difficult it is to argue with women. Chris Rock has a famous monologue about women being impossible to argue with because they don't feel that their arguments have to make sense.
Don't blame me personally for a widely held societal belief.
Lol. Wait. Your argument is "women are bad at debating" and the source you cite for that is stand-up comedians?
Oh, I've gotta turn on the popcorn maker for this.
Comics/ Satirists have always been a mirror of society - Swift, Voltaire, Will Rogers, Mark Twain, George Carlin, etc. They are the people who say out loud what everyone else is thinking.
Simply dismissing an argument as silly without explaining why is another poor debate technique.
Something one or multiple people merely think does not reveal any underlying truths. To try to find evidence, one might start from an observation and test a hypothesis. Comedians and pop culture as a whole might mirror society's ideological mores in some ways, but that alone isn't sufficient evidence that women are disproportionately intellectually dishonest or inferior.
I never said "women are disproportionately intellectually dishonest or inferior," YOU put those words in my mouth. I don't feel that way, and would never endorse anything about that statement.
But it is no secret to any man who has had long-term relationships with women, that they often argue without rules of any kind, and I simply pointed out that it's not just me making that obvious observation, but it is an entire sub-genre of comedy. Obviously, it is a shared societal experience, and my personal observation has been that it isn't associated with any particular culture.
As I've gotten older, and don't argue much because I literally don't care enough about anything to argue about it, I have realized that the strategy of simultaneously combining strawmen, shifting goal posts, misunderstood polls, internet propaganda, click bait headlines, etc., is designed to make me so frustrated and flustered that I pop my cork, and she wins by default.
Ohh, so women are genetically illogical. I understand.
So, do you see a way out of this trap, or is humanity cursed to suffer them forever?
Not what I said, so proving my point, thanks.
Just for fun: was John Kramer saying out loud what everyone else was thinking when he shouted the n-word 40 times?
I have no idea what you are talking about about.
That's okay, it wasn't for you.
Ok then, name 5 songs
You're the one who thinks "name five of their songs" is "starting a conversation".
Again, I've never said that, and would consider that a poor challenge. I've listened to DSOTM probably hundreds of times, but I'm not sure I could name 5 songs from it off the top of my head (Money, Time, Breathe, Great Gig in the Sky, um...). That's why I would never ask that question. I ask: "Have you ever listened to that album?" If they had, follow up questions would be what did you think of it, what do you like/dislike about it? Have you heard other PF albums? What made you listen to this one? What do you like about the band? Have you ever seen them live? Etc.
I asked a girl about her Metallica shirt once, and she responded by saying that she LOVED Metallica, and knew every album well. I asked why, and she said her dad loved them, and always played them in the car. I'm not a Metallica fan, but I loved her enthusiasm and story. That was a great conversation, and what I am aiming for when I ask about someone's T-shirt.
People gotta stop being so defensive. Even when someone asks a question in a confrontational manner, I prefer to answer it in a positive manner, and try to turn the conversation around into a constructive experience.
So maybe try reading the original post. This is not about someone asking "Hi, have you heard the album?"
You're making up a strawman to be upset about.
Yea, I was unsure if I was being too hard on you based on one comment, but your double-down absolutely proved me correct.
You have some prejudiced views about women that you need to work out.
Chris Rock and other comedians' jokes are not peer-reviewed studies or discourse analyses about how women debate intellectually.
Probably so, but it's too late for me, and overall I like women a lot. I actually prefer women bosses, generally.
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