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[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 175 points 2 years ago (71 children)

Well yea, countries keep buying nuclear from France because it's clean, cheap, and they don't want to suffer the political backlash from the science lacking environmentalists which come forward when they talk about building nuclear on their own land

[–] HaiZhung@feddit.de -2 points 2 years ago (28 children)

France has been importing more electricity than exporting in 2022 because their nuclear reactors can’t perform in the heat resulting from climate change. And this is more likely to happen again as each year becomes hotter.

I’m not sure where this fetishism for France‘s nuclear energy is coming from.

[–] Obline@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You're quoting 2022 because that year >30% of the reactrors were taken offline for maintenance. The French government is also shutting down nuclear reactors due to lack of funding & outdated technology.

This is not an inherant problem with nuclear, but because the French government hasn't invested since the 70s.

If funding wasn't cut (due to environmental activists), the output would be more than needed.

Nuclear is still our best bet for combatting climate change and reducing carbon emissions.

[–] HaiZhung@feddit.de -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Im quoting 2022 because this was last year. As in, the most recent year.

I don’t disagree that we should have phased out coal instead of nuclear first. But what has happened has happened. I do disagree that we need a „nuclear renessaince“ now, because neither the economics nor the timelines work out at this point in time. Solar and wind is cheaper, faster to build, and more flexible as you can iterate on their designs MUCH more quickly than nuclear plants. That’s the main reason why solar panel efficiency is going through the roof.

Why cannibalize the investments in what obviously works?

[–] pedro@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You only solve one part of the problem: what do you use when there's no sun and no wind? Coal? Gas?

[–] HaiZhung@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

As far as I can tell, there is no time with no sun AND no wind: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Energy_statistics_-_latest_trends_from_monthly_data

In fact, there are multiple studies claiming that you can very well supply base load with renewables, for instance this one:

https://www.ceem.unsw.edu.au/sites/default/files/uploads/publications/MarkBaseloadFallacyANZSEE.pdf

One other problem with nuclear is that it has to run at a fixed output level, and can’t be scaled down if there is eg. lots of solar power being generated. In this case, you have to scale down renewables to make sure you can use the nuclear power, which makes it clash with the eventual goal to power everything with renewables.

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