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[–] AnalogNotDigital@lemmy.wtf 55 points 2 months ago (7 children)

This shit is so fucking lazy.

Biden enacted plenty of progressive asks during his term. Harris outlined plenty of progressive asks in her campaign as well.

Just because it wasn't 100% of what YOU personally wanted doesn't mean it wasn't good legislation.

Hope none of your family dies because of this, because if they do it's on you, mr protest voter.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (3 children)

The percentage of people who don't vote hasn't changed much in 100 years. Call them lazy, uneducated, apathetic, etc, it makes no difference. They don't vote and that's all there is to be said about it. If you're waiting around for them to start voting for your preferred candidate you're going to be waiting for the rest of your life. Stop talking about them and start making other plans.

[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The difference in non-voters between 2020 and 2024 was enough to swing the election.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

And it swung the 2020 election. Biden still holds the record for the most votes of any president ever, Trump was number 2 for the most votes ever in that same election.

You cannot swing for the center and hope to flip some republicans. They vote on a single issue, and that issue is usually, "who will hurt the people I hate most". They like to play it off as "Fiscally republican" or some other shit, but it's all lies and falls apart if you pull on the threads of their reasoning.

[–] LotrOrc@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yeah maybe its the job of the politicians to go out and get peoples votes and listen to what they're concerned about rather than just sitting there saying well you have to vote for us cuz that guys worse

[–] AnalogNotDigital@lemmy.wtf -1 points 2 months ago

If you're so entitled you need to be personally courted to stand up against fascism then Idk what to tell you.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

They ran on universal healthcare and taxing the rich. Their sitting president was one of, if not the most, progressive president in our lifetimes with a strong economic recovery record. They even listened when their base told them Biden was too old and gave them a younger candidate.

Just admit that the dumbfucks that voted 3rd party or didn't vote were single issue losers who couldn't see the forest for the trees and now we have fascism in America.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Like another plan like move out of the country to somewhere smart ?

so only non voters and MAGATS are left behind to shoot them selves in the foot

I think they are already doing that.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

There is plenty of discussion how this last election people didn't move rightwards, they moved couchwards. The absolute numbers voting for president went down substantially. I bet a good number of those were protest non voters.

[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

They were quite literally funding a genocide and then somehow thought pointing out [the very real] fascist intent of the Republican plans would play in their favor.

Edit: it seems none of you have understood my point.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

At no point did I say Republicans were not also backing genocide. Only that, maybe, just maybe, Democrats could have NOT done so, to give people an actual choice on that issue.

I understand you prefer binary arguments where saying one bad thing about someone automatically means the opponent has to be good on that topic, but the world doesn't work like that.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Dude they want to nuke Gaza, while Biden was pushing for peace. But to you it's all the same and "b b b b both sides same". This is why you project "you prefer binary arguments". Ciao.

[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

It's amazing how garbage your reading comprehension can be and you still think you have an argument.

I know Republicans are worse. I'm saying Biden did a weak as fuck job pushing for peace which exasperated the already present voter apathy. Continuing to repeat yourself while missing the entire point of what I'm saying does not make you look any less fucking stupid for missing it.

[–] AnalogNotDigital@lemmy.wtf 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They literally refuse to admit that an entire apparatus of a party wanting something, and then a handful of members wanting something of another party are not the same.

Then they have the gall to complain that the democrats didn't personally promise them a pony and a unicorn so they didn't vote.

[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago

Maybe not actively assisting in a genocide = wanting a personal pony

Now, apparently. Like, that bar is literally on the floor, and you're making excuses why they couldn't meet that challenge

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Only that, maybe, just maybe, Democrats could have NOT done so

Like, do you not grasp that international relations is a thing?

Do you not fathom that when an important ally, the most important in the Middle East, ramps up a conflict they've had with another nation for our entire lives, that it's not exactly a simple subject? That you can't just say "Welp, you're being mean to someone else, so fuck you our relationship is over"?

Biden repeatedly spoke out against Netanyahu's tactics. He started threatening to hold up arms shipments and impose sanctions. These are the proper steps to take before resorting to losing one of your most important allies.

Then Americans chose fascism and now the situation is much worse.

[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

Ah yes, we're going to downplay systemic genocide as "being mean" now? To make this seem like a simple, laughable little faux pas. What a piece of shit you are.

The proper steps to stopping that shit is not go : " no, please....stop...." And continue shoveling those weapons to them, actively enabling the behavior we want to stop.

Israel was trying to drag us into a war with Iran as well, attacking them hoping they could hide behind the US. For two years. No change in weapon shipments. Clearly he did a bad fucking job. Whining about it being complicated doesn't unfuck up the job he did.

[–] LotrOrc@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Oh no! Its not like the dems didnt drop the equivalent of 5 nuclear bombs on gaza anyway....

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Lol super weird attempt at "b b b both sides same".

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[–] RatzChatsubo@lemm.ee -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Biden? Progressive? lol that's funny

The Democrats fumbled appealing to progressives, independents, and undecided voters. That's a lot more that just one guy you are responding to

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Biden? Progressive? lol that’s funny

Can I give you a pro life tip?

Let people wonder whether you're dumb or not. Don't prove to them that you are.

Biden was one of, if not the most progressive president, in our lifetimes. That is a FACT.

But of course you don't know that.

The Democrats fumbled appealing to progressives, independents, and undecided voters.

By running on universal healthcare and taxing the rich? No, Republicans ran the most effective propaganda campaign in the history of this country (with the help of Russian disinformation) and it worked, because Americans are braindead stupid.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Harris outlined plenty of progressive asks in her campaign as well.

She also outlined a move to the right and lied about working super hard for a ceasefire

So tired of people pretending the Dems weren't a horrific choice in 24, likely on purpose to give repubs their turn

[–] AnalogNotDigital@lemmy.wtf 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You have 2 fucking choices. Sitting out means you have no right to complain, because you supported the worst side.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sitting out means you have no right to complain

Always authoritarian bullshit from you people, pathetic

[–] AnalogNotDigital@lemmy.wtf -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you don't vote, your opinion is worthless. You chose to sit out, so why would anyone want to listen to you?

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

A lack of vote is a valid choice in the system, if it wasn't then it wouldn't be allowed.

You chose to sit out, so why would anyone want to listen to you?

So that they can get your vote next time, should they actually want to win? What kind of moronic question is that, are you guys actually as stupid as it seems the Dems are at understanding basic shit?

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

So tired of people pretending the Dems weren’t a horrific choice in 24

Yeah, way worse than literal fascism.

likely on purpose to give repubs their turn

Lol. Do you still wear your clown nose when you're at home alone? 🤡