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Sitting at home on my toilet married with a child. So I feel equally qualified to say this as you.
Fuck capitalism and that exploitation. What, you used to have empathy and care and now you're a selfish asshole? How is that good, it's definitely not funny, it's just sad.
Who said I ever had empathy? I use logic. If you're going to try and convince me, I'd suggest trying to use logic as well. It's fairly easy to convince people with logic. Using your emotions etc will only cause polarisation, echo chambers, ...
If you want to work 32 hours, go work 32 hours. Nobody is stopping you.
I've worked 32 hours for a year. Has its benefits. Just less money. Now that my wife is working half time, I'm obviously going to work more.
You know what work reform I'd love to see? One where pay is based on production. Not time. So when I do twice what you do in the same amount of time, I bring home twice the money.
Cool, you're shitting on people getting more vacation time and better pay for ... What reason again? Because you got married and had a kid?
Use logic to make that make sense to me. Also I'll hit you with some logic right here, your own in fact.
Sweet, worker productivity has soared while wages stagnated. Paying people the same amount of money to do 32 hours of work vs 40 is a step towards making pay more aligned with production. Exactly what you want!
I want the wage system abolished. Everyone should be a sub-contractor. Paid on what they provide. Not on how much time they are there.
My co-workers are people like here. They say "don't have ambition" "we're just work folk" "if you do double the work you only get paid the same amount anyways".
The mentality my family doesn't have. Somehow my family all end up being high earners.
Yeah we get it you're awesome and whatever. Maybe if your coworkers were compensated for their efforts instead of taken advantage of they'd feel different about putting more work in.
Hell that last complaint you listed from your coworkers is literally the same thing you're complaining about.
You're still part of the proletariat, stop shilling for the bourgeoisie.
I'm petite bourgeoisie, half my income comes from capital.
My workplace is very leftist. It's a hospital, the income is all thanks to subsidies from the tax payers.
Everyone is paid based on a barema, everyone gets the same. That's because of unions. I'm fine with that. But I'm learning everything about the hospital and will demand a higher position or simply go to another hospital that agrees to give me that.
I despise stagnation. These coworkers do the same job as I do, I'm 29 and they are in their 50s.
The 24 year old newbie is more productive than those oldies. Our generation has been educated more profoundly.
These oldies can only do their own tasks and if you ask them anything else, they freak out.
The younger generation is a lot more flexible. I'm learning the tasks of everyone at the department. Then I'll expand it to finance. I have my eyes on multiple positions and the people who have those positions are actual capable workers.
The thing I'm earning on top of my wage is experience (human capital).
if you always do the same tasks year after year, you're basically.. well.. you're replaceable by AI.
whos gonna tell'em
Honestly all that needed to be said. Fucking utilitarians.
Empaths are pretty boring. Basically like toddlers throwing tantrums
Logically, your family's world would be a better place without you in it. Your resources could all go to your child and you could stop wasting them, and your wife can find someone who actually loves her and her child.
Why don't you do what's logically best for your child?
Nah because the child isn't born yet, the money would go to my brother.
If I didn't love my wife, I would just discard her and be a deadbeat father.
I'm not really wasting resources, my net worth increases every day because I'm the main source of income for my family. If I would die, my wife would have to look for another man.
Men aren't really interested in raising another guy's child.
I would kill you without a second's hesitation if you threaten my child's well being
Wow, what an emotional response. No need to be a violent fucking crybaby because you don't love anyone and nobody loves you. Why don't you logic your way into happiness and stop getting so salty?
Don't you know the statistics about single moms? They have the lowest quality of life. You disgusting monkey.
Why wouldn't I get emotional? You threaten my family.
It's logical that I get angry at you.
The only person threatening anyone here is you, you emotional piece of shit. I'm just explaining logic to you since you hold it in such high regard.
But your logic was wrong?
You claim my wife and kid would be better off without me in the picture. That would mean I can just quit my job tomorrow and tell her to deal with it and it would improve her and the child's life.
How the fuck would that happen?
i'm angry because you're just so bad at logic.
I said they'd be better off if you left and stopped eating up resources. You're rich, they're already set. You're just increasing a number now because it makes you feel good, like you have some worth after all. She's be better off with someone capable of love and not just getting angry and calling it logic.
Why would I waste my time with one person for 6 years if I didn't love her?
have you stayed with someone for more than 5 years without loving that person?
The pregnancy is recent, so it's not like I stayed with her because of a child.
See, you're trying to make emotional arguments now, not logical. You don't actually care about logic like you claim, you're just another baby throwing a tantrum with the rest of us.
Have fun!
Sorry bud, I'm not interested in continued conversation with a child who threatens violence when triggered.
Do you realize you're describing yourself as a textbook psychopath?
Yeah, they often go together. The killing part is 100% psychopathy though. At least you're aware. Good luck with the mental illnesses.
Funny, that's what we want too. Production now is higher than ever before in the history of humanity, yet our wages and salaries have been stagnant for decades. If we are producing more than ever before, why do we need to work so many hours per week? We should either be fairly compensated for that productivity or we should not be required to produce more than we are fairly paid for, which should translate to either a drastic salary increase to match the increased demand for productivity or a drastic decrease in hours worked (without a reduction in pay, since you agree that pay should be based on production).
If you lower your working hours to 32 hours per week then this would happen.
Foreign countries their labour will gain in desirability for capital.
Your area will still require the environment to keep you alive, so if you are simply surviving, then it would be a good choice for you.
Now, I live in Belgium. We have a median net worth of 250k euros per adult. We have a lot to lose. If we work less, we simply have less money.
The good thing to do, would be to earn more money. Not work less.
You know how much Indonesians work? Singaporeans? Chinese? They work more than us.
Belgians statistically work only a few hours a week. Do you think our high median net wealth came from nothing?
We work at our property after our hours.
My dad never hired anyone to do anything in the house. He did everything himself. We don't have a gardener. We do all of it ourselves.
Belgians work part time for themselves.
The truth is that value does not come without labour. Can't magically lay on the couch and expect value to arise.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'd take more money too. However, I think I'd be happier with more time off to do the things I enjoy and also the things I don't really enjoy but have to get done anyway, like chores and housework, since those are also part of my day that gets eaten up by my job.
I wouldn't expect a nepo baby like you to understand that though. You got everything in life handed to you, so it's no big surprise you lack empathy for your fellow man.
I do live with my parents. We do own our own house. You make broad generalizations about why everybody else is less successful than you, but you clearly have no clue what life is actually like for people living in America, or what actually working for a living is like, rather than just inheriting 500k euros and having your money make your money for the rest of your life like a rich cunt. Must be nice to have a golden parachute you can rely on for the rest of your life, but most people don't have that luxury and we want to make things better for everybody, not just the owner-class or the capital-class of folk who have long since pulled the ladder up behind them.
The staggering ignorance on display here is why nobody is taking you seriously, and don't you dare blame it on mental health or autism. You don't get to come out loud and proud as a person who lacks empathy and then blame it on external factors when you get called out for being a piece of shit.
Don't bother with a reply, you're a waste of oxygen. Blocked. ✋🚫