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I am not inclined to be upset about the theft of a luxury bike. Unless things have changed wildly and my intuition about numbers is off. If you can afford a nearly 2k bike you can afford to replace it.
Doesn't stop redditors from being redditors
Like it's just a bike, no need to wish someone gets mauled over it
1,300 is not "nearly 2k". that rounding is doing a lot of work there my guy.
Never thought I'd see a pro-bike theft post on Hexbear
Have you considered that people save up to buy things?
Also, in the context of the article, the $1300 bike is an ebike. $1300 is on the low-end for ebikes, it's definitely not a "luxury bike".
Why should I have any sympathy for some rich old white people living in a suburban house in a bougie part of San Francisco getting one of their dozen bikes burgled in a garage they clearly left open?
Bikes should be communal property anyways, cities should just leave them at street corners and let it be first come first serve, throw anyone in jail who uses a bike lock.
The existence of cars is a har greater hindrance to bike accessibility than bike locks
We really need to reign in our enthusiasm for stealing shit. It's (outdoor) catnip for opportunists and you wind up overthinking questions like "is $1300 the threshold for declaring someone a class enemy?"
Theft from the right people for the right reasons is worth defending, but it's something that's generally bad where there are sometimes excuses, not something that is generally good. Every society I'm aware of (certainly every modern society) views stealing as bad, they just define what one can legitimately own in different ways. Ordinary peolple are just not going to come around to "steal whatever for whatever reason, hell yeah," but you see that attitude pop up on the left somewhat frequently. It's not a good spot for scorching hot takes.
Except we should always support the stealing from (insured anyway) businesses. I don’t really feel any concern if a rich person gets a small amount of their stuff (that they can easily replace anyway) stolen.
In your ideal leftist society, would stealing be legal? Of course not -- nor has it been legal in any AES state. Generally speaking, it's bad. The vast majority of people think so now and will continue to think so even if there's a significant leftward shift in society.
Our default response to stealing, then, shouldn't be "hell yeah." People don't like getting ripped off and stealing isn't socialism. It's fine to cheer stealing from the right people for the right reasons, but that's not everything.
This isn’t a socialist society. This bike isn’t being stolen in a socialist society that provides for them. This is stealing from a rich bastard in a capitalist society. Those are two totally different things. What AES states do isn’t relevant as this isn’t occurring in an AES state
1,300 is extremely normal even on craigslist around here
Damn. I guess I am just wrong then.
Accidentally deleted but like with a lot of things the price is location dependent for used bikes. Even ancient bikes from the 80s in good condition can sell for 400+
$1300 isn't really a luxury price point, that's a pretty normal price for a new bike that's not an entry-level economy model. (And that's why I only buy my bikes used). If you look at historical prices accounting for inflation, it typically holds true that $1000 MSRP is the dividing line between cheap bikes and mid-range ones.
Yeah, I paid something like that for my bike in 2012, and it was the cheapest model you could take off road without imploding lol
How the fuck is that possible I bought my moped for less than that and that thing has a combustion engine in it
A lot of corners get cut on new bikes in the US, if you buy something in the sub $500 range your best bet is to go bare bones and low complexity (like a beach cruiser). Suspension, a ton of gears, etc. at the same price point will be very heavy and you'll be replacing parts constantly.
I bought a Walmart mountain bike for $400 last year to convert into an ebike and I've replaced the seat, brakes, freewheel, front wheel, both tires, and I'm now considering the rear shifter and derailleur. Bike of Theseus
I'm curious if the lower price point bikes end up pushing the midrange price point up. Like obviously they're intentionally using heavier materials for the lowest price point, just wondering if that ends up with a higher parts cost than is necessary. If there wasn't the motivation of designing tiers to upsell you, I'm guessing the lowest cost bikes could comfortably the midrange ones.
Yeah, absolutely, european big box sport store Decathlon will sell you a really solid bike for the price of a not so solid bike because they offer like 1 - 2 frames per category and then the rest is just better drivetrains or extra parts like fenders or a rack
It super does not look like a $1,300 bike allthough it seems to be a beach cruiser and I have no idea. Is that maybe a police estimate and they just have 0 clue or is "believed to be" a usual phrasing for this type of thing?