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Hi all, I'm a Lemmy FOSS app contributor that's made a couple of tools for people starting small instances including Lemmy Community Seeder (LCS) for building content on new server's All Feeds and Lemmy Post Purger (LPP) for clearing old posts on smaller instances.

Today I'm releasing Lemmy Defederation Sync (LDS). When launching a new Lemmy instance, administrators may not understand the necessity of defederation with problem instances. Using LDS, you can sync your instance's "blocked instance" list with that of another server(s) whose admins you trust.

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[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago (18 children)

I disagree that defederation hurts Lemmy. It doesn’t hurt it anymore than normal moderation hurt Lemmy. Users on defederated instances are more than able to create an account on a non problematic instance and follow the rules there.

Defederation is essentially Lemmy’s version of quarantining subs on Reddit. And nobody except maybe extremists thought quarantine was a bad idea

[–] dragnucs@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (13 children)

You forgot people who selfhost single user instances. So they would have to destroy the old instance and create and new one with a new domain, which is a lot of work and resources.

Edit: Please also notice the problem here is not defederation itself, but shared lists of defederation. Because most likely the list is super long and nobody would check if all instances are legitimately blocked.

[–] khornechips@yiffit.net 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

What could a single user instance possibly do to be defederated on a massive scale? And at that point, why not simply join another instance?

[–] dragnucs@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

They could have done nothing, but because someone on a so called trusted source de-federated it because he did not like him, de-federation would accumulate.

Actually beehaw is a nice instance and is blocking lemmy.world, which too is fantastic. Thus sharing beehaw's de-federation list would cut out lemmy.world from a huge audience. In this particulare case, I wonder what lemmy.world did wrong to be worth de-federating from.

So you see, sharing huge block lists would wrongfully cut out people. Since nobody would investigate the whole list because doing so would take weeks.

Joining another instance is out of the question for many because they are firm belivers of self-hosting and decentralization. Two principles that are pillars of the the fediverse.

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