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Oh no dems are not perfect let's Satan/Hitler win to teach them a lesson!
Like bruh try won't learn but let's get rid of Satan/Hitler first. And ill be first to turn on them.
And that's the thing, the Dems losing doesn't teach them any lesson, they're not going to pivot to the left because they lost, they'll only double down on neoliberalism.
DNC logic
DNC will throw an election before moving to the left. Particularly when the topic of discussion involves a certain rogue nation in the Middle East.
Yeah i wish I could confidently tell you no you are wrong. Which is why we cant place hopes in DNC. This is not about dems winning. Its about gop losing. Once they are out. Let them dnc get their what they deserve.
From the DNC's perspective, going left lost against Nixon of all people, during a deeply unpopular war. Going left was crushed by Regan. Both Bush presidents won by attacking centrist candidates from the right. Clinton ran very centrist campaigns and won. Obama was at best more practical than ideological. Carter and Biden picked up the pieces of disasters, but that didn't translate in to long term gains, and neither of them got credit for what wins they delivered the left.
I agree the DNC should go left, but I understand it's hard to make the case based on the last 60 years of experience.
Anyone basing strategy on the last sixty years instead of the last four is too stupid to be taken seriously. Hence the US' reputation as he dumbest nation.
I'd reply that anyone can justify any conclusion if they're allowed to pick and choose the evidence under consideration. We should aim to produce a political theory that accounts for decades of history and change.
Sure... But that political theory is still explicitly illegal in the US and can get you imprisoned if you manage to get elected. Barring the obvious, we can't base our political theory on entirely different material conditions experienced by entirely different people. The number of voters that were alive 60 years ago is miniscule, and the number of voters that voted 60 years ago is going to be less than 1% in the next election.
Even supposing those people were physically still alive their material conditions have changed so dramatically they aren't the same voters.
By ignoring the change of conditions and change of voters mentality, you set yourself up for 'surprise' failures, like clinton in 2016, which all leftists knew clinton would lose.
If you just look at the last four years and the material conditions people face, you're far less likely to overvalue old elections that have nothing whatsoever in common with modern elections.
I mean they still not right. Just diet version. To use cars as analogy, Its like hybrid car is better but than gas but what we want is EV running on renewables. Meanwhile people getting most inefficient gas machine from mad max out of spite.
We see that exact thing happening now. They haven't learned a thing.
Nancy Pelosi was in a hospital in Europe and actively blocked AOC from taking a leadership role right after the election. The fucking Democrats censured the single member of their party that called Trump out on his BS during his victory lap. Then Schumer shit the bed a couple weeks ago.
Establishment Dems are actively preventing any kind of progress, all while whining about how we need to do something!
We need more people involved in primaries and less voting based on TV ads.
If you're willing to sacrifice one minority group to Satan, why should members of other minority groups not believe they are next?
100% agree.
But just to put in perspective, 1 side said ill f over 1 group and other side said "ill do way more than that casual". And in fact since 2 months of getting in are actively trying to f over the world.
Voting DNC was also temp truce against GOP. I rather be mildly disappointed than fearing for future. If DNC won ill be pushing for more progressive stuff but now we got to work to get nation back to "normal". Its like wanting to plant a tree but some jerk poured sand in the hole. Now we got to undo this crap before progress can happen.
If so many people refused to vote for Democrats because they were too far right, then the Dems should have moved left. If Leftists are too small a group to matter and the Dems are right to court the right then stop complaining when Leftists don't vote for you. You can't have it both ways.
Dems are not progressive they move to who votes. Team lefty hate the choices so opt out. Meanwhile DNC sees right voters consistently vote and move to court them. DnC is not on our side they are on their side. They said they are not the opposition party. We all know that. But they are opportunists so more left votes since they will move left. Especially if the GOP is no longer a viable option. Hence why I say turn on them after the GOP is voted to hell.
Your analogy is even more apt than that. A lot of them are accelerationists/anti-electoralists too, who hold the faith-based belief that making the world worse will magically cause the working class to unite and overthrow their oppressors. The belief is based upon the words of a dead authoritarian and has no historical data to suggest that it is remotely accurate. They are happy to give vulnerable populations as blood sacrifices because of their faith in it somehow resulting in a better world.
I hate that i agree you are right.