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I'm sure they're pleasant towards you, but the way they act when someone dares to disagree with them is repugnant.
And anyone who disagrees with them will certainly have at least one of those labels thrown at them.
Some Hexbear people were talking excitedly about advocating for Claudia de la Cruz. I pointed out that if Trump wins, they might go into concentration camps (And look! That is happening, some prominent leftists have already been disappeared).
A tide of people pretended that I had said I would be happy about leftists going into concentration camps (I am not), sent me pig ballsacks, threatened me with death, threatened me with being stabbed with an icepick, sent me insults, agreed with each other about what a piece of shit I was, sent me custom-crafted memes to emphasize how much they didn't care what I thought, and one person seemed like they wanted to have a factual conversation about it (they made some accusations about what reality was that were at least subject enough to proof or disproof to be worth discussing). I decided to try talking about it a little and it went about like you would think.
I'm clearly not a bigot, racist, or et cetera any of those things. Hexbear operates under a sort of "no true scotsman" logic by which anyone who they disagree with is automatically one or all of those things, and so it's okay to be horrible to anyone they disagree with. Again, that's why they are widely defederated.
Here's the thread, including both my unwarranted smugness and Hexbear's predictable reaction which has nothing to do with anti-bigotry (and, in fact, has played some small role in enabling the worsening of bigotry and genocide, now that Trump is in office): https://ponder.cat/post/525489/763331
I do feel like I was smug and insulting out of the gate for more or less no reason. But also, I feel like demanding that I have to come in super respectful and kind, so they can respond in their famous chosen fashion, is laughable. I'm just speaking to them in the language that they clearly are approving of, just from the other side. That's fair, to me.
Basically, thinking someone is wrong, and telling them so and telling them why, is not "bad faith." Not in any world. Again this is the Hexbear no-true-scotsman thing, where they're super open and everyone is welcome except obvious awful horrible liberals who need to be attacked at every turn because they deserve it, and anyone who disagrees with them in any way is obviously that. This is why I tend to talk badly about Hexbear: Because they feel comfortable talking badly about everyone else, and hurling abuse and trolling at anyone and everyone, so fuck 'em. If they don't want to be treated like that, they can open a conversation about the value of the social contract, and we can talk, but otherwise, oh well.
Edit: The person edited their response, abandoning the debate I guess being unhappy with the nature of it. Seems reasonable, they're not obligated to talk if they don't want to. Maybe if I'd sent them a picture of a pig ballsack, they would have been receptive and felt comfortable with how appropriate the whole conversation was.
I appreciate you taking the time to explain your side,
but there has been rudeness. Obviously, you shouldn't stay civilised with people who hate you.
The problem is, its not always towards those people.
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What's the hexbear take on the invasion of Ukraine? Genuinely asking you as someone who's from there.
Yeah, that's the take I was expecting to see. A mutual defence pact, formed to protect against the very thing Ukraine is experiencing, is a tool of oppression.
Who is NATO opressing, exactly?
And this is why they show up in numbers, or not at all.
Yeah, you and your comrades' "loveliness" was instantly exposed to be in support of genocidal dictators, and then you slink away. That is the sort of thing we were glad to be rid of, even if for a while.
Thanks for the answer regardless, will search for more!
IDK, I used to talk up certain parts of Hexbear (art@hexbear seemed quite good) but your perception of their political views is not what I've observed. I tried to talk with them and they more or less instantly threatened me with physical violence and then defederated my instance.
There is a reason they are so widely defederated. They are deliberately obnoxious to "outsiders" in a way that makes it seem unlikely that they're positioned to succeed at any kind of leftist progress. Usually, attacking everyone around you is not correlated to long-term victory.
https://hexbear.net/search?q=putin&type=Comments&listingType=All&page=1&sort=New
They're not really "against human rights" per se, as far as I can tell, but at least 50% of them seem to be fanboys for authoritarian regimes, and construct insane frameworks where those regimes aren't actually violating anyone's human rights, or "but 'libs' believe X Y and Z, those are wrong, and so by contrast with those wrong things, I must be right." I think more than 50% of the comments in the above link fall into that latter pattern.
Here are some examples of things from the above that are pro-Putin (or at least pro-Putin-adjacent) and also hilariously wrong:
(That is a hilarious juxtaposition)
Got it. (And actually I agree that "good" and "bad" are very poor frameworks for judging state actors from the POV of the individual.) So what do you think of Ukraine? "Pure evil, Nazi government, why do you ask?"
IDK. I looked over Hexbear for a while after what you said, and as long as you steer clear of certain topics, I think I can agree with you. (And, that was my experience before the defederation.) The same can be said of most Republican uncles at Thanksgiving, though, so it's not really a solid endorsement of their good nature.
Sorry I should have clarified: not looking for Hexbear lore in general. I have seen a lot of Hexbear content, so I have a solid understanding on the site and the users. Don't want to start a debate about that here because that debate always turn nasty.
What I am looking for is: what happened in the past month-ish? How did you all lost your domain? How and when did you get it back? Why did it take so long for federation to be back? Is there any other change made to the site during this downtime?
The most anticapitalist instance getting a .com domain would be hilarious
But there gotta be more to the story. Was the registrar being "shady" as @hendrik@palaver.p3x.de said? Why did federation take so long?
The news section there is great, and while there are a few comments that echo Russian stuff, that is easier to ignore than the massive USA liberal (conservative) views that dominate some other communities.
In particular I like the middle east coverage .
That's nearly all I've seen. It appears to me much of the fault lies with critique by US American in particular who seem beyond nuance in politics (not having multiple political parties is perhaps the reason for that), you can be anti Putin (who is a complete cnut, that doeat mean ebery sungle russian is) and anti US (who are now complete cnuts for who they elected but doesn't mean every single citizen is).
I like seeing the points of view so long may you continue!
I snoop there from time to time, and while it does have a high population of minorities, there is people who are pro-russia. A lot fo people say they only have critical support, but I can't see how you could have even critical support of russia.