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@rglullis@communick.news my honest recommendation is to switch to the plain text only mode and disable file / media upload if it's possible. Hosting plain text data is cheap. Let them share links only to their cdns, servers or ipfs for media
Again: hosting costs is the least of the concerns. The problem is that users are not willing to pay for the labor of admins.
Yep. This is it. "Leftists" on Lemmy really love the. exploitation of free labor. As long as it's DeCeNtrALiZeD exploitation.
If providing a completely voluntary service is too much of a personal burden, the solution is to stop doing it. No one is being exploited, all relationships on Lemmy and Mastadon are completely voluntary by design.
Personally I don't mind the idea of Lemmy embracing a syndicalist financial model or something of that nature but you're simply spouting a bunch of entitled nonsense.
"Oh c'mon man, it's your hobby, right You'd do it anyway?"
Also, it wasn't exactly just leftists, but also my leftist friends who were always asking for "friend prices" when I drove them around when I drove a taxi. Like... you guys are getting special service, and I'm your friend, you get to skip the hour of waiting and fighting other drunks in the taxi queue.
It also would've been different if there was the chances of favours in return.
So like people who could actually help with the labour or in something other way put in work, maybe they'd be okay with just covering the hosting costs, but modding a community isn't exactly the same work as maintaining the soft- and hardware. Alone, I presume.
And also is the "hosting costs" just like the costs of the services for the hosting, or does it incorporate all the cost for electricity to run the equipment as well?
Is it lack of empathy or greed? I never really could figure that out. Feels like a bit of both.
Seems like bad friends, whatever the political preferences are
Leveraging connections is both very human and of variable social acceptability depending on a lot of circumstances.
What would actually make them a bad friend is not being willing to return the favor.
Oh they were, yes, you're 100% correct.
How is this a response to what you replied to?
“Hosting and labor costs money”
“So it’s a lack of technical acumen” -you
What?
Read again, he is not asking to pay the server bills. It's 1400€ (so, less than $0,10/active user/month) and he got it fully covered.
You can cut that 5x. You can cut that 10x. You can cut that 100x. It doesn't matter. You can bet that if he brought down the prices to zero there would still be people saying "why are you asking for money then, it doesn't cost you anything to run it!" and at the end of the month, he will still be short to make rent.
Well, it's very easy to be the armchair expert and say how much better you'd do it. It's another thing entirely to actually do it. You are free to prove how smart and competent you are by showing him how to do better.
In any case, it's irrelevant to the discussion. Like I said, if people are only giving him the money to cover the hardware costs, even if it was brought down the cost to zero he would still be working for free to all the 16k users of the instance.
Ah, are you saying you don't want to do this for free?
Technical acumen?
You do realise things don't happen just because you know how to do them? You still actually have to do them.
So youre saying if he just knew how to do it, he wouldn't actually need to do it?
I know how to build a medieval castle with a moat and I'd have the technical acumen to build large sustainable hydroponic gardens there as well.
So why is it that I don't have a castle, when I know how to build one?
You're saying he doesn't need to do any work, that all thr work will just do itself, as long as he knows how it's supposed to be done.
You don't think maintaining a Mastodon instance takes any active input from the person maintaining the instance? Just knowing how to do it is enough to set up all the hardware and software required?
Sounds rather magical to me. Please explain
This thread is about how people aren't willing to cover the costs when labour is included.
Then you comment with "if he had more technical acumen, he wouldn't need to do [the labour that people are unwilling to pay for]".
He does know how. He's saying he doesn't have the means, because either he has to spend his time working full time, leaving no time for the labour people are unwilling to pay for, or people pay for the labour they're unwilling to pay for, giving him the means, in which he will be able to do it, because he already has the knowledge.
Kinda how if someone gave me a huge plot of land, a quarry, and a billion dollars, I'd have no you've building a castle. But since I only know how to build one and don't have the land, resource or time to labour a few hundred years building a castle bymeself, I'm not able to build a castle, but it's not because I don't know how to.
Maybe some reading comprehension or writing practice would do you good?
So you would do if for free?
Because you said you do that for a living. Meaning people pay you for the time you work on these things.
Have you any idea how costly that time is to your employer? That's rhetorical, ofc you don't.
Would you do go to work if it didn't cover your rent?
You have admitted it does take some work. It doesn't just happen, right.
So what is it you're trying to say?
If he had your skills, he'd work for free? You would do the amount of work required, for free?
You're just an arrogant dick who didn't read the thread and said stupid shit. Simple as that.
Haven't had shrooms probably about since you were in diapers.
And I don't drink liquor.
But hey, thanks for the input.
Oh no, you're just not reading the thread properly and going along with that other fool.
How about you actually read the thread instead of leaving snarky comments.
Children should be seen and not heard.
Oh hunny.
I'm sure there's lots of things that don't make sense to you.
Would you like me to simplify it for you, to make it easier for you understand, as it seems you're one of the people who can't control their drug use and may have actually fried their (already tiny to begin with) brain?