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Wait, what? What's that first one? Is there some context I'm missing?
As a dramatic oversimplification: how dare you tell us that forcing domestic pets into a vegan diet is animal cruelty! We're going to make our own instance, with blackjack and hookers!
There was some stuff about vegan users being harassed after the "vegan pets" debacle too, but they're effectively "We need our own space where we can be as dramatically vegan as we want to be with no opposition".
A carnist sounds like a incredibly hedonistic individual. Like hedonism bot just absolutely amped up.
I've gotta incorporate carnist into a metal as fuck username.
Misogynist men said the said thing about feminism in the 1950s.
They literally already said they weren't looking to convert to veganism for moral reasons, so I don't know what point you think you're making.
There was a willing ally in the reduction of meat consumption and the mainstreaming of vegan options, but the vegan community they encountered decided that insufficient orthodoxy was reason enough to encourage their 'carnist' enemy to go back to murdering animals for food.
If someone in 1918 says, "I don't think women are equal, but I do think they deserve the vote", the correct response is not to attack them; it's to make common cause with them until women get the vote - and fuck, that they're already ahead of the curve may mean that they can be swayed by the positions of their new allies.
But many online vegans (and I specify online, since the only vegans I've met irl have been pretty nice folks, even to a 'carnist' like me) treat it as a religion, a fashion; an identity.
Meat is murder - but murder, apparently, is preferable to wrongthink.
You're literally going against the definition of words.
The animals do not have a choice, they do not want to be exploited and slaughtered. That is slavery period.
Forcibly impregnating someone "is not rape" what a joke. You're heartless.
You're using tankie logic.
It’s literally the same action but with different subjects. You’re an awful person.
I can't wait until the mass rape of flowers begins in the spring.
Plants do not have central nervous system. Stepping on grass is not the same as stepping on kittens. Giving birth is a painful process each time.
I agree. But then we run into the issue that it is "literally the same action but with different subjects."
Your previous comment implied subject does not matter; now you are saying it very much does.
Animals are individuals not property. So stop justifying animal abuse. God you’re one of the spineless types who just plays along with the atrocities of the modern day.
Here I thought we were having a debate. Silly me, thinking that you meant the arguments you put forward, instead of throwing shit at the wall to see if it sticks.
That’s the first correct thing you said in this thread. Just because someone is not human does not mean it’s okay to harm them.
I murdered an animal the other week. Not even for food. Its corpse is off rotting somewhere now.
Separately, I have some animal-murder spray below the sink for when the warm weather comes. Usually don't need it, but in an apartment, you never can tell.
Or you could actually read the science. Recent studies in the last 3 years point to the contrary. That is misrepresenting the situation as synthetic taurine, B12 and vitamin A can be provided in a plant-based diet through the form of reputable kibble brands.
Sources: https://bmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-021-02754-8
https://www.magonlinelibrary.com/doi/abs/10.12968/vetn.2022.13.6.252
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0253292
https://www.mdpi.com/2306-7381/10/1/52
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0284132
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S240584402411609X
https://www.mdpi.com/2076-2615/6/9/57
https://sustainablepetfood.info/
https://www.benevo.com/vegan-cat-food-from-benevo/
"How dare you respond to my common-sense based objections with actual information!"
I doubt that….: stirring The very argument that caused an exodus, against the people who didn't leave with the same arguments that was had last time, and ignoring the same rebuttals as last time; …will result in a different outcome.