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Progressive Politics, Gun Control, Single Payer Healthcare and Free Abortions for All!

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We like leftists and liberals.

We want to ban all guns.

We want free healthcare.

We want UBI.

We don't mind being taxed.

We want to give everyone a free abortion!

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[โ€“] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 30 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In a very real sense, those people do not have beliefs. They think reasons are things you make up based on what you've already concluded. Business snubs their outgroup? 'Well it's their right to blah blah blah vote with your wallet yay capitalism.' Business snubs their ingroup? 'How dare they violate my right to blah blah blah political correctness gone mad.' They decide what they want today and pick plausible justifications.

And in their minds, that's what everyone else is doing.

Nothing they do makes sense without that context. You're never really arguing with them because they don't agree on how arguments work. Their conclusions do not follow a chain of logic from factual claims. You can completely dismantle their arguments, and then... they'll pick new arguments. They're just working backwards from the answer they want. And they think you are, too. Everyone's just shuffling cards. No matter the evidence or the rationale, they're not about to switch sides, because that's what they think hypocrisy is.

Reminding them of their own arguments has no impact, because they don't understand the concept. Neither the concept of saying something without meaning it, nor the concept of logical consistency. They think you're suddenly choosing that argument - because that's all they did.

[โ€“] Hegar@fedia.io 5 points 5 months ago

In a very real sense, those people do not have beliefs.

Yep! Fascists are nihilists. They want only power in it's most crassly demonstratable form.

Anything they do or say is a ploy for power. Any ally, policy or ideological position is a discardable tool.