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hexbear.net is on sale for auction (infosec.pub)
submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/fediverselore@lemmy.ca
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Auction: https://www.sav.com/auctions/details/7073489/hexbear.net

Not sure what will happen, but seems to be a Fediverselore event for sure

Update: post from hexbear admin on chapo.chat: https://chapo.chat/post/4468531

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[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'm not up to date with my Hexbear knowledge, is hexbear dead?

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 29 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Hexbear (edit: ~~is very much alive~~) was very much alive until my cached DNS values dropped out, and now they're dead. Looks like they're fucked.

It looks to me like sav.com is some kind of domain name scammer. They trick people into registering their domains with them by offering low prices, and then some time later once you've come to depend on the domain, proceed to some kind of abusive process like this where they'll let totally separate people (allegedly-real separate people) "bid" on your domain, and force you to pay whatever exceeds the highest bid, if you want to keep control of it. I honestly don't know how it is allowed.

It looks to me like Hexbear got suckered into registering with them, displaying the same savvy critical thinking skills that serve them so well in so many other areas. I don't think the domain expires until a year from now? Am I misunderstanding, or is sav.com just getting the jump on extorting some money from Hexbear? I realize it would be funny to jump in and bid the price up, but be aware that (1) you are giving money to some genuinely godawful people, quite a bit worse than just a bunch of confused aggressive pro-left people, if you win (2) you won't even get your entertainment until a year from now, unless I am misunderstanding something.

Edit: If anyone's curious, Hostinger has extremely cheap domain registrations: https://www.hostinger.com/domain-name-search

They also have an endearingly janky AI assistant that likes to pop up the most hilariously wrong AI descriptions of whatever domain you are registering, for no reason at all. It goes with the rest of their endearingly janky hosting service. I honestly don't mind it, I like them.

Edit: Guys, I am sad to report that they fixed the AI assistant. It now (still for no reason) displays back to you a summary of what you want to use your domain for, but they've fixed the AI involved so that it no longer gives suggestions that are hilariously wrong. It's just accurate and boring. I wish I had saved some of the ones it showed me way back when they first introduced it, because they were wonderful.

[–] Shadow@lemmy.ca 31 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Their domain expired a month ago, this is pretty normal for a registrar to do with expired domains.

Updated Date: 2025-02-11T17:35:29Z
Creation Date: 2021-01-12T00:35:25Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2025-01-12T00:35:22Z
[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Where do you see this? Whois says:

  • Domain: hexbear.net
  • Registered On: 2021-01-12
  • Expires On: 2026-01-12
  • Updated On: 2025-02-11

That's also what sav.com says under domain details "Expiration Date."

Whois also says "client transfer prohibited." Fucking scumbags. Don't give them money.

[–] Shadow@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Just off whois on linux, but I'm not clear why it lists two different sets of dates. I'm guessing querying the root whois vs the registrar, and hexbear is currently in the process of fixing their domain which is why one set is 2026.

~$ whois hexbear.net
   Domain Name: HEXBEAR.NET
   Registry Domain ID: 2584175083_DOMAIN_NET-VRSN
   Registrar WHOIS Server: whois-service.virtualcloud.co
   Registrar URL: http://sav.com/
   Updated Date: 2025-02-11T17:34:08Z
   Creation Date: 2021-01-12T00:35:22Z
   Registry Expiry Date: 2026-01-12T00:35:22Z
>>> Last update of whois database: 2025-02-11T20:42:41Z <<<

*snip*

Domain Name: HEXBEAR.NET
Registry Domain ID: 2584175083_DOMAIN_NET-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois-service.virtualcloud.co
Registrar URL: https://www.sav.com/
Updated Date: 2025-02-11T17:35:29Z
Creation Date: 2021-01-12T00:35:25Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2025-01-12T00:35:22Z
Registrar: SAV.COM, LLC
*snip*
>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2025-02-11T17:35:29Z <<<

Unless the +1 year date is the registrar holding it for themselves to auction off, which seems equally likely.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 11 points 6 months ago

Unless the +1 year date is the registrar holding it for themselves to auction off, which seems equally likely.

Yeah, that's what it is. Whois actually explained it to me, and I didn't bother to read it the first time. I made an edit.

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Not them, but here you go

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Edit: Okay, I figured it out.

NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date the
registrar's sponsorship of the domain name registration in the registry is
currently set to expire. This date does not necessarily reflect the expiration
date of the domain name registrant's agreement with the sponsoring
registrar.  Users may consult the sponsoring registrar's Whois database to
view the registrar's reported date of expiration for this registration.

So, as I had guessed, sav.com registered it "for them" for one year more than they actually wanted to register, and then when there was some minor billing issue, used it as an opportunity to do a cash grab. Fuck sav.com, is basically what I'm saying.

Previous comment, before the edit:

IDK what's going on with that web site, but it's wrong. Or, sav.com updated something to backdate the expiration or something else shady like that.

$ whois hexbear.net | head -n20
   Domain Name: HEXBEAR.NET
   Registry Domain ID: 2584175083_DOMAIN_NET-VRSN
   Registrar WHOIS Server: whois-service.virtualcloud.co
   Registrar URL: http://sav.com/
   Updated Date: 2025-02-11T17:34:08Z
   Creation Date: 2021-01-12T00:35:22Z
   Registry Expiry Date: 2026-01-12T00:35:22Z
   Registrar: Sav.com, LLC
   Registrar IANA ID: 609
   Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse-contact@sav.com
   Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.8885808790
   Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
   Name Server: NS1-EXPIRED.SAV.COM
   Name Server: NS2-EXPIRED.SAV.COM

I trust running whois more than I trust a web site. Like I say, I have no explanation why they would be wrong, but they're wrong. Maybe sav.com registers it "on behalf of" their clients, and sets the meta-expiration one year after to give them time to fuck around with auctions? Something weird like that? And then it's only paid until last month, and because a card had expired or something trivial like that, they decided to throw it into this auction process?

~~As much as I think it's funny to make fun of Hexbear, I don't think people should be celebrating them getting fucked over by criminals.~~

Edit: They're over on chapo.chat now, blaming the whole thing not on sav.com, or on themselves for choosing a registrar for an important server without doing due diligence, but on DNS itself and the architects of the internet. I take it back. Fuck 'em.

https://chapo.chat/post/4468515

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

~~As much as I think it’s funny to make fun of Hexbear, I don’t think people should be celebrating them getting fucked over by criminals.~~

Edit: They’re over on chapo.chat now, blaming the whole thing not on sav.com, or on themselves for choosing a registrar for an important server without doing due diligence, but on DNS itself and the architects of the internet. I take it back. Fuck 'em.

They are still the same

[–] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

HOSTINGER IS LITERALLY A SCAM WHAT, known scam within the community for doing exactly what you claim sav does insane af that you would suggest that, look around reddit or lowendtalk. Actually comedy to see that suggestion under you making those claims about sav.com lol.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What on earth are you talking about?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hostinger/top/?t=all

I see people incredibly upset about the poor customer service. That’s pretty accurate. Maybe I should not recommend them, I’ve had some similar issues but never terribly bad and I wrote it off as “jank.” That’s why it’s cheap. When did anyone say it’s a scam or they extort extra money?

[–] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

They play the long game, first 3 years will prob be chill, once you're stuck with them https://www.reddit.com/r/Domains/comments/1big23f/hostinger_domain_renewal_scamming_hostinger_is_a/

[–] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

They literally had the chance to renew at the low price and just put it off and lost contact with whoever owned the domain, for some reason they didn't have multiple users with the login. Easy way toa void this wouldve been transferring the domain to the person hosting and paying the 12$ within the year they had to do it.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They probably survive, but they will basically be switching infrastructure and losing all sorts of shit, so their size will be much smaller and weaker.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You're being downvoted for this, weird.

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Tankies are downvoting enmasse in this thread, especially Hexbear users on alts.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago

Tankies think downvoting and taking over internet forums is praxis and that "anarchkiddies" don't read theory. Karl Marx and Stalin said take over reddit communities and downvoting is the first step of transitioning into communism.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I hate downvotes because they are super arbitrary and oftentimes really petty. Obviously I recognise they can be useful to weed out horrible and discriminatory stuff, but often they are used as a sort of “disagree” button.

The beauty of lemmy though is can be (and am) on an instance with downvotes disabled . So have the exact same experience except only upvotes are possible.

[–] Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 months ago

Piefed has a great community setting feature making them a bit more reliable/useful although it doesn't fix how people are using it:

https://piefed.social/post/466854