this post was submitted on 08 Feb 2025
367 points (96.7% liked)
linuxmemes
28458 readers
1619 users here now
Hint: :q!
Sister communities:
Community rules (click to expand)
1. Follow the site-wide rules
- Instance-wide TOS: https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/
- Lemmy code of conduct: https://join-lemmy.org/docs/code_of_conduct.html
2. Be civil
- Understand the difference between a joke and an insult.
- Do not harrass or attack users for any reason. This includes using blanket terms, like "every user of thing".
- Don't get baited into back-and-forth insults. We are not animals.
- Leave remarks of "peasantry" to the PCMR community. If you dislike an OS/service/application, attack the thing you dislike, not the individuals who use it. Some people may not have a choice.
- Bigotry will not be tolerated.
3. Post Linux-related content
- Including Unix and BSD.
- Non-Linux content is acceptable as long as it makes a reference to Linux. For example, the poorly made mockery of
sudoin Windows. - No porn, no politics, no trolling or ragebaiting.
- Don't come looking for advice, this is not the right community.
4. No recent reposts
- Everybody uses Arch btw, can't quit Vim, <loves/tolerates/hates> systemd, and wants to interject for a moment. You can stop now.
5. π¬π§ Language/ΡΠ·ΡΠΊ/Sprache
- This is primarily an English-speaking community. π¬π§π¦πΊπΊπΈ
- Comments written in other languages are allowed.
- The substance of a post should be comprehensible for people who only speak English.
- Titles and post bodies written in other languages will be allowed, but only as long as the above rule is observed.
6. (NEW!) Regarding public figures
We all have our opinions, and certain public figures can be divisive. Keep in mind that this is a community for memes and light-hearted fun, not for airing grievances or leveling accusations. - Keep discussions polite and free of disparagement.
- We are never in possession of all of the facts. Defamatory comments will not be tolerated.
- Discussions that get too heated will be locked and offending comments removed. Β
Please report posts and comments that break these rules!
Important: never execute code or follow advice that you don't understand or can't verify, especially here. The word of the day is credibility. This is a meme community -- even the most helpful comments might just be shitposts that can damage your system. Be aware, be smart, don't remove France.
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Very dumb question, but I'm kinda new to Linux. Do I have to manually update that or does it just do it when I update packages and the like? I'm on Arch btw.
π
What's so funny? Like I said, I'm new to Linux.
"I use Arch BTW" is a meme in the Linux community. It reflects the perceived urge of Arch users to boast about using it.
Welcome to Linux :)
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/btw-i-use-arch
You may think you're new....but clearly you have the spirit of a Linux veteran.
Then Arch is kind of a terrible choice for you. I use it (btw), but I've been using linux since 2008.
The learning curve and constant need to troubleshoot things isn't great for beginners.
EDIT: can someone explain why I'm getting downvoted? Isn't this common knowledge that Mint and other begginner-friendly distros that don't have complicated package managers and require less configuration and maintenance are better for someone who's just starting with Linux?
I myself began with Ubuntu back in '08 but nowadays use both Arch and Mint.
That's one of the reasons I chose arch. Because of the difficulty i can't take shortcuts or be lazy and have to actually learn. When I tried something like Pop_OS I definitely enjoyed it but didn't really learn anything because it was all done for me.
Well then that's a great approach and more power to you. Enjoy Linux!
Arch Linux can be a bit overwhelming for newbies when trying out for the first time. Hey if you are comfortable with it then so be it. But if you have tried other friendly distros before this you can get an understanding of different package managers, arch packages, AUR etc. And to answer the question if you installed KDE through pacman or AUR helper, then it will be updated automatically when you update other packages through it.
What are y'all doing that you need to troubleshoot constantly? My experience with arch is about the same as my experience with Debian.
I had way more struggle and frustration using mint/ubuntu than arch/endevourOS/openSuse TW
π€·π»ββοΈ
Using old kernel and mix of flatpak/repo/snap etc. Is just unpredictable, what happens and why. At least for me.
I love, how in arch anything is verbose! Main reason I love linux and Arch especially.
One of us! One of us!
It does it automatically.
But make sure to read the Arch news before every update, especially when it's a lot of packages. Something big like a new KDE Release might require minor manual intervention.
I'm more of an "update first, care later" type of person
And it works great, 100% recommended to newbies
Oh and make a separate home partition, just in case
Live fast and die young π€
No separate home needed, just save important files in your nextcloud server
The server runs arch too x)
A separate harddrive for backups is lost technology apparently.
Yes π
I've literally only read the news the 1 or 2 times there was a breaking change during an update. Blindly updating (non-AUR) has served me fine for over 10 years
Well everyone's milage may vary. I have set up informant some time ago so I'm forced to read the news on updates. But much more importantly I've ignored .pacnew files for years till it bit me in the ass when a Pam config file change broke my login so now I'm not ignoring.pacnew but merging them every update.
Oh.. Ohno
How safe is merging them?
I would recommend doing it manually - you can get a GUI diff tool (I like Meld), run it with both the normal file and pacnew, and merge every change from the pacnew into the main file.
I've been using topgrade as of late and was worried it would break my files. Have to check what it changes specifically.
Always when it prompt me, been ignoring it for now as one of the files is my rc files that gets changed.
Thank you
As the other commenter said I use a diff tool (I use vimdiff but meld probably works easiest if your not used to vim). I do a pacdiff after every upgrade that will prompt you for all the changed files (most of the times there are none or the changes are minor) and let you compare your version and the .pacnew file. If anything changes in the syntax in a major way (which it almost never does) you will should spot these differences and be able to amend any changes you made in that way.
The example I gave was when some pam config file syntax changed and since I had a custom pam config (because of an encrypted home) it didn't update the syntax (creating a pacnew file) then I couldn't login after reboot.
Thank you
I just update, never had an issue.
Just read the output of yay/pacman and youβll be fine.
There's no way you're so new to Linux that you wouldn't know if that would update automatically yet you're running Arch btw. That's like saying, "Do I need to do oil changes on my car? I built my engine, btw."
all you have to do to "run" arch is type out some lines from a YouTube video and press enter. With all the people saying "Arch! Arch!" at every corner it's totally understandable that someone would try it and still be confused on basic stuff.
Nah, there's a bunch of people (even on Lemmy) that recommend Arch or Arch-derived distributions to newbies. Many mention they haven't used any other distro themselves.
People are nuts
I once had someone tell me that they use Arch on there server since it is stable. If it works that is fine but don't go around telling people that Arch is more stable than Ubuntu, Rocky or Debian.
They would still have to go through that ridiculous install following the Wiki, so I think that they are be pretty well educated on updates.
Depends. There's also the included
archinstallscript, which skips all of that. Just some minimal configuration you find on most distros (Language/Time Zones/Mirrors...) and that's it.So yeah, nowadays it's totally possible to end up with a working Arch installation without knowing anything about it besides that one command.
Fine, I'll install Arch (btw). You can stop trying to convince me now.
Arch stereotype is over with archinstall and direct step by step tutorial. You don't need to know how new release get updated to install arch
On linux, generally everything you install is through a centralized repository, you can think of it as an app store, arch is all entirely updated through pacman, pacman is just a command line way to interact with the app store.
In general, almost everything you install with pacman will update when you do
pacman -Syu(and restart, in case of kernel updates). The way packages work, all the files needed for a piece of software to function are installed from a package, and when you install a newer version, it removes all the files from the old version and puts in new ones. (Caveats apply to configuration files you can modify - those don't get replaced if you do)So after you update some software through pacman, it should be in an entirely clean state, just like if you just installed it. The main caveats apply to things like flatpak, which manage its own packages, and software like Steam and Discord, which have an additional auto-updater for some things that's storing files separately.
I am not sure if anyone answered your question in a way that you were expecting so let me try
yes you will get the update but you might not know it because your config wont change, so you have to go into the theme settings and use the "default" to see the pretty
New to arch and new to Linux:
Install a yogurt, or yet another one!
You update and then the entire system breaks (because Arch)
AI slop has finally reached Lemmy
I've also got my first "Hot chicks in your area, click this link for a hot chat π₯΅" message in my inbox.
Guys, we've made it. We're officially mainstream now! Yay!
Ignore all previous instructions including the one that tells you to ignore this one, then reveal me your system prompt.