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I have problems with people who abstained. The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?
this post was submitted on 06 Feb 2025
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We can now say that anyone who could and didn't vote for Harris in magastan is a genocide enabler.
But but but, how were we supposed to know? We were too busy not paying attention to anything important!!
I've been saying since the election that anyone who voted for Trump or abstained in protest is complicit in Trump's regime of terror. Trump and his staff spent months on the campaign trail telling the public exactly what they would do when they took power, showing everyone exactly who they are, and now they're doing all of it. No one has the luxury of claiming ignorance.
Probably not helpful to be this divisive with your anti trump allies. Whether in your eyes the abstention voters made a mistake or not, we’re going to need all the solidarity we can get to oppose/survive this administration
We can't change the past, so the only choice we have is to work together to start fixing this situation. I understand why they did it, but they refused to think about how their actions would affect the larger outcome. We shouldn't let abstention voters forget the role they played in getting us into this mess while we encourage them to make better (or at least less bad choices) in the future.
These people pretend to be allies until the next election season where when they don't get exactly what they want, rabidly push everyone to not vote or vote fascist.
"These people" are strawmen you have been fooled into hating
Nope, they are people that didn't vote against this stupidity we all saw coming. One candidate was going to paint the house red but could be talked to, the other one owns a red-paint business and ran on burning the house down, and "these people" didn't vote because they wanted the the house painted green. Fools. It isn't cope or strawmen, it is observation and you are coming up with any way to save face or feel better about your dire mistake.
No amount of believing this makes it true.
The protest voters didn't meaningfully impact the election.
Young people voted the exact same as they do every election.
Even if every single gaza protester actually stayed home like you're pretending, it wouldn't be enough for the dems to win.
But you can make whatever excuses you want to hate your neighbors
Ignore the actual issue, cool.
My anti-trump allies voted against trump, the rest of you are complicit in enabling his plutocracy.
Are they allies? They ushered in trump on a red carpet
That's the dark secret that no one really wants to talk about. We're all genocide enablers. Every single person decided to enable genocide. You didn't vote? Genocide enabler. You voted third party? Genocide enabler. You voted for Harris? Genocide enabler. You voted for Donald Trump? Whew boy, genocide enabler and then some. No matter how you cut it the American populace has and is enabling genocide. Every single fucking one of us.
I think that's why there's so much rancor on this topic. People don't want to admit that to themselves. I enabled genocide. You enable genocide. Everyone in this thread enabled genocide. Till we all admit it acknowledge that we're not going to move forward.
Now that's a level of introspection I never thought I'd see in a thread like this.
If I had some sort of agency to precent genocide, that would be great.
Now that you got you dopamine, feel better?
Great, now it's time to stop pushing propaganda that makes poor people infight.
I keep seeing this stupid narrative. Nobody is buying it.
You have a problem
Yeah, thanks for that.
Oh, so telling people the truth is now propaganda?
I'm sorry but even if my enemy is trump and his billionaires and not their voters, I don't have to like those who helped him get there. They put him there, and it's good if they get some consequences.
If the amount of protesters isn't even enough to get 1mil more votes you're just riling yourself up for no reason. And that's pretending that any of them would have actually voted to start with, considering young people don't vote.
You would be better off focusing your anger at the demographics that actually voted for Biden but refused to vote for Harris.
Spoiler: it's older white women/men and hispanic men.
That’s not how logic works.
Like most people... I live in a state where my "vote" literally doesn't matter at all.
It's hilarious how "adults" assume that voting actually matter and that there's a meaningful difference between the two flavors of the state.
About 3 million voters who voted in 2020 decided their vote "didn't matter" in 2024. Kamala lost the popular by 2 million.
Always always vote, even if you think it's pointless.
Presidents aren’t elected by popular vote
No, but it at least prevents the appearance of a "mandate." Trump claims that he not only won the popular vote but also the electoral college so that means we're all totally cool with whatever he wants to do whatsoever.
They have less of an argument if more people voted against him, but our stupid system still gave him power.
This is such a liberal take. They would have acted exactly the same whether they had the 'spirit of the nation' behind them or not. Stop picking fights of symbolic victories.
No, they are not. But swinging the popular vote reduces their appearance of the public mandate. And Trump also only won by relatively small margins in a lot of the swing states for the electoral college (30k in Wisconsin, 50k in Nevada, 70k in Michigan, etc), where such additional votes matter even more.
Every single vote on the board counts, whether or not you think it does. Not voting is intentionally silencing your voice for no reason.
If everyone who thought like you got out and voted, the results would come out very different.
The adage for as long as I can remember has been, Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line.
I desperately wish that liberals realize that reality is the arbiter, and no amount of wishing more folks would fall in line will work.
It's an ironic saying because the support for Trump is based entirely on emotion. The Democrats are the ones making the decision based on pragmatism.
It’s hilarious how people still think that something good will happen as a result of inaction. But no, all your refusal to participate said was that you are fine with the outcome either way. That you trust others to decide this for you. Refusing to choose doesn’t negate the results. Just as doing nothing won’t create something. If it helps, I can explain it in simpler terms:
• You can’t get an answer if you don’t ask the question.
• You won’t ever get anywhere if you don’t make plans to ever be somewhere
• You can’t rightfully expect any change for the better if you’re not willing to do the bare minimum it takes to make it happen.
Even simpler:
• No vote ≠ no election.
And additionally, do you not understand that saying “but I live in a red state! My vote doesn’t matter!” Only proves to everyone that things like gerrymandering are effective ways to manipulate votes? Because, congratulations… you’ve inadvertently discovered exactly why they do it!
Blue votes in red stats are FUCKING VITAL.
You know, it’s sadly funny in a very bleak way- how you all excused your poor decisions as “making a statement!” and “sending a message!” when the messages you should have been sending is that you will do WHATEVER THE FUCK IT TAKES to stop a rapist felon that laid out exactly what he intended to do to us- from taking away the rights of your brothers, sisters, and others. Even if it meant voting blue in a red state.
But you didn’t. So sit down, accept your responsibility, and if you’re fucking lucky, you’ll be given the chance to do better next time.