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They had control in 2021 in the House and President. The Senate it was 50-50 with Harris being the tiebreaker so they did control both parts. The issue was that they didn’t take action when they had control. They proved they wouldn’t do anything. They didn’t take steps when they had control under Obama either.
Bro. Can you read. Do I need to turn it into a picture for you? There are procedural rules in this case the filibuster. If you do not have 60 votes to override the filibuster, it does not pass because all an opposing senator has to do is say Filibuster and you're hit. There are things that can force debate, but you are basically done. That rule change would require the support of Manchin and Sinema, which would not have happened, so democrats were stopped. And they did take the steps for the two years which is why we have the Affordable Care Act so things like pre existing conditions are covered. Maybe you should do some more reading on how our government works before you try to talk with the grownups
I’m not even going to respond to how ridiculous and rude your comment is besides to say that this still wouldn’t explain why no action was taken in 2009-2011
They passed the mother fucking affordable care act. Do you not understand how huge of an undertaking that was? They also passed DREAM and limited how credit card companies can charge you. And those are the big ones. Would you call that no action?
You clearly lack any understanding of how the government works beyond what you'd learn in 6th grade civics and have no memory of the 2009 Congress yet try to speak authoritively about it. By comment was definitely rude, and that was intended. But it was not ridiculous, it was a statement of fact.
Those are really minor changes in the grand scheme of things. They didn’t make healthcare free. They didn’t remove the US from Iraq or Libya. They helped attack Afganistan. They supported the genocidal Zionists. Your comment is ridiculous. Obama said he would close Guantanamo. Guess what? He didn’t. I advise you to think about if you would have been so supportive of these oh so progressives if your whole family had been killed in Afganistan by them. I fear it is you who lacks any nuance of the United States and seems to be too enamored by what you are told about how the “Zionists are helping all the people”. I simply advise you to close your mouth of this subject before you continue to look so foolish. You have no real substantive defense of the genocidal Zionist “Democrats” besides insults
I bet the families that could finally get health insurance because pre existing conditions were finally forced to be covered feel different. I bet the kid who outgrew their prosthetic legs and couldn't get new ones because they reached their lifetime coverage before they turned 18 feels different. I bet the kids who grew up here but were considered 'illegal' (imagine being illegal just by existing somewhere) felt relief when they didn't have to worry about being sent to a country they never visited or were connected to felt different?
Again, one party wants to protect my LGBTQ friends, wants health care for all, wants to raise taxes on the wealthy to protect and improve social programs, wants to create free education and remove the debt of college from those who have it, and one party doesn't.Cry that I'm a Zionist, but if all other things are the same, I know which party I support. I also find it hilarious that I've proven you factually wrong many times and you make the claim I will look foolish and that I have made no defense.
If they want to protect LGBT people why didn't they prevent discrimination while it was possible? Same with healthcare for all? Same with taxes on wealthy of free education? And I find it even more laughable if you are trying to admit to being a Zionist as you clearly support them. You could still do those tiny drops in the ocean while making actual change. And guess what? They haven't made that actual change.
They couldn't have passed healthcare for all because they didn't have the votes. Remember, they needed 60. So they compromised and moved in the right direction. Also, in 2009 there wasn't such an open hate for the LGBTQ community. States were legalizing gay marriage, and the defense of marriage act was overturned eventually also. It's only the last few years that the hate rhetoric has been turned up. A lot of things changed for a lot of people. And they did raise taxes. Guess what was undone in 2016 by the Republicans who are so the same as the democrats. You're unwilling to see it because you're afraid of admitting you're wrong regardless of how many times I've proven it. All you can do is scream the word Zionist over and over like a play-acting intellectual in between bouts of being demonstrably wrong
Would you explain what they did to get the votes for the Obamacare act? Almost like they still had the votes. Dems have had control but haven't done anything. If you think there wasn't open hate for LGBT people in 2011, I don't know what to say. You obviously haven't looked into this at all. In fact, the only proof was that the Dems did nothing. You say yourself that the Republicans undid it but yet it doesn't appear to me that anything was done to ensure that the Republicans could not have been elected
Ultimately to get the votes for Obamacare they agreed on a mandate that required people to have health insurance, but part of the negotiation was there could be no public option and they would have to purchase from a private insurance company but the insurance companies could not have exceptions for pre-existing conditions and could not have a maximum lifetime payout. That last sentence is what made it all worth it. And while there were people hostile to LGBTQ people, it was not like it is now. I find it amazing that everytime I come with receipts you just claim that I have nothing, but have offered zero counterpoints.
I'm going to quit responding. I'm done having a conversation with someone who supports genocidal Zionists.
Yeah. That's it. Not because I proved your nonsense wrong every step of the way. Whatever makes you feel better.
Also, that would explain their lack of action anyway. They still could have forced the government to a standstill unless these things were resolved by also using the filibuster. I can’t believe, in an ML fourm, I’m having to explain why genocidal Zionists are bad