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Trudeau announces 25 per cent retaliatory tariffs on U.S. goods starting Tuesday
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That was Cory Doctorow's recent take on it too. Trump just threw out the trade agreement with Canada and Mexico he was so proud to say was his accomplishment, after renegotiating NAFTA. They really should say fine, stew in your own mess. Ignore patents, crank out cheap pharmaceuticals, forget about DRM. Nationalize US factories on their soil. Will hurt for a while until new trade is established, but there is the whole rest of the planet to trade with.
This is extreme and could warrant an invasion from the US. Wars have been fought for less. Look at what happened to Guatemala when they wanted to take back some of the half off their farmland owned by Chiquita.
Canada is a mid-sized power but not really in a position to flaunt US power like that
Canada is part of Nato. Isn't trump going to leave Nato? So that would mean all of Nato would be on Canada's side. That is one hell of a leg to stand on.
Nato doesn't have the navy to help Canada in a fight. Assuming America isn't torn apart by a civil war as factions of the military defects and there's a revolution in the streets. (60/40 at that point. Fighting a century old ally is a red line that would absolutley cause a civil war)
the US navy would chuckle as the french and british and other relevant navies lie at the bottom of the atlantic. And at that point, Russia moves in and Europe is in a land war while the US decides to partner with Russia.
Britain and France also have thermonuclear weapons. Britain has Vanguard-class ballistic missile submarines and France has Triomphant class ballistic missile submarines, and both have nuclear capable fighters and bombers. If Europe is to fall - let the whole world fall with it.
I dunno, Invasion requires a ground war. If the US attacked thier ships, they can just essentially blockade the US at ports of entry. The US can't invade all points of entry and ensure safe passage. One shoulder mounted missle can take care of that. The US just can't win that exchange. It takes 100x the force to secure than to disrupt. And in general the Uzs doesn't have the troops to protect all it's assets overseas. Nato would cripple us in a week.
this conversation was specifically about the US turning aggressive against Canada. the US turning on its allies and getting its global presence destroyed is one thing (I dont think that would happen, either). But to be clear, in this scenario we are talking about, If the US went aggressive against Canada, there is absolutely nothing NATO can do to help Canada except fingerwag, or nuke America.
And if Nuclear weapons were threatened, you could bet your ass the Mouth Foaming Z-Nazi party in Russia would rush to the aid of America, and declare that they were ready to invade and launch on the "Insane Europeans" to help the "Americans we have no problem with"
Russia wants to be hegemon of Eurasia, or at the very least Europe. If America wants to sacrifice it's world influence and power to set up some kafkaesque one state entity across north America, Russia is more than happy to let them have it as long as they get their peice of the pie.
And I pointed out what Nato could do. If all the US troops are spread trying to protect US assets elsewhere, there is none left to do the actual invading. And of course that would also open up ways for nato to move things by boat to Canada. Russian would probably use the opportunity to take Alaska actually. China would take Taiwan. The west coast would probably take that opportunity to become it's own country. The northeast as well. It would be the end of the united states.
it appeares in my last comment I didnt actually mention one of the elephants in the room.
Im gonna stop you right there at "move things by boat to Canada"
the US Navy owns the Atlantic Ocean. bought, paid for and signed. Nothing is getting across the ocean. Spare for possibly a British or French nuclear submarine that decided to unload on the eastern seaboard. and they're not gonna pick a fight with the US that they're already terribly outgunned in, whilst also trying to deal with the mouth foaming Vatniks who are more or less already at war with NATO
I don’t think the US could continue to own the atlantic Ocean in this situation. The ships would be needed all over the world to protect US assets. There just aren't enough to go around, and it is a big ocean.
As an American, I will join the war on Canada's side if my country decides to invade.
I know, it's a nuclear option. Seriously shouldn't put that card down right off. And yeah, hasn't gone well for any central or south american government that the US has destabilized or overthrown due to some large corporation's interests. But as all this garbage escalates, bringing up the possibility could make owners and shareholders squirm a bit. It hurts them financially, the only thing that would make them care. People who Trump might (might, small chance) listen to. But before that point? Those companies can produce all kinds of things. Doesn't mean Canada or Mexico have to let those goods go out across their borders. Their trade agreement has been torn up by Trump again. And you know that bureaucracy is complicated, things get held up in customs sometimes, occasionally for very very long times. Paperwork gets lost... When companies here in the US are screaming about their supply lines breaking down again, now because of HIS stupid tariff war, there will be some negative political fallout. Trump's ego and image are vulnerable things despite all the bluster. He won't back down, but he could pivot to something else and let this nonsense drop.
This is an insane hypothetical but the worst thing is I can totally see Trump declaring a "military intervention into the Canadian comunist takeover of US interests and property" or something like that