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Do you really not see the problems with this? This discussion may be about eating meat, but you just made a general statement about when it is and isn't okay to tell people that what they're doing is wrong.
This is a literal defense of slavery. I'm not even misinterpreting it or taking it to a logical conclusion like that other comment I left, you are straight up saying that abolitionists are wrong when they tell slave owners that they shouldn't own slaves if slavery is legal in their region.
Edit: y'all can read through this thread if you like, but we literally got nowhere except for this guy blocking me. Either he cannot understand the problems with his underlying logic, or he is ideologically consistent and thinks that the Holocaust was totally fine because it was legal and it didn't hurt him.
You have to understand that the logic you are using here can be used to justify a bunch of awful things. The government banning gay marriage also has absolutely no impact on my life and doesn't hurt me the least bit, but I can still argue for the rights and wellbeing of people and animals who aren't like me.
This is word salad, but I think what you're getting at is that telling other people what they should and shouldn't eat is like telling gay people that they shouldn't be gay. That's not a similar argument, because being gay doesn't hurt anything and eating meat does.
Nope. I'm against meat production because it harms things and we don't need to do it. Being gay doesn't harm anything. My underlying logic does not support bigotry. My underlying logic does support things like fighting for LGBT rights and abolitionism.
You need to try harder.
I've already gone over this with you. Someone eating meat doesn't harm me just like my government banning gay marriage doesn't harm me just like my government legalizing slavery doesn't harm me. I don't care if it doesn't harm me, it harms someone and we don't need to do it. The Nazis weren't harming Americans. Do you think we were wrong to step in and tell them to stop killing Jews in Europe?
You continue to make arguments that slavers would have made against abolitionists
comparing Jews to animals is what Nazis do. comparing slaves to animals is what slavers do.
I keep coming back to slavery because you keep making arguments in defense of it. I could use rape or murder or robbery or neglect or physical abuse or genocide or any number of obviously evil things as examples instead, because your logic allows for all of those to be acceptable. It's not a false equivalence, because I've never once equated any of these subjects. All I've talked about is what your underlying logic leads to.
"You're not the one being harmed" is not a justification for harming something, it's an attempt to shut someone up when they're pointing out that you're harming something.