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Not really sure how you came to that conclusion, we definitely have our problems, we aren't perfect, but we definitely aren't an authoritarian state either
We have an Israel first rulership. Every politician pledges allegiance to Israel. Tik Tok ban is because it is not zionist media, and the theory that young people are opposed to genocide is because they use tik tok, even through IDF gloating videos promoting their attrocities are on Twitter too, as are muslim disapprovals of genocide.
You have zero freedom/power to stop your theft of war support of Israel or against Russia, Canada, Greenland, Panama or Europe. Or stopping your nuclear incineration. Citizen's united means only rich people speech counts. Congressional bills in congress will outlaw criticism of zionism/Israel. That you are currently permitted to have sex with people you choose is against the Christofascist agenda that will be pandered to in next 2-4 years. But it is the predetermination of democratic outcomes for the most favourable to Israel, war, oil, and the extreme corruption of by the oligarchy for the oligarchy rule, that makes the US more authoritarian than governments that simply contains divisive distractions, while defending and advancing the country's needs. "Democracy and Freedom" is complete BS used to warmonger those accused of being less liberal than apartheid ethnostate Israel.
You+state approved media have the freedom to say US is not authoritarian, while I'm still allowed to explain reality. But neither of our opinions has any relevance whatsoever on our oppression.
Incarceration rates are definitely not a plus in anti-authoritarian case for US. The highest in the world. Blacks or the poor are oppressed as a race/class to feed for profit prisons, and keep them "in line". If voting or speech changed anything it would be made illegal. MLK Jr was erased for influence. Nazi/supremacist speech is free and welcome by the state. Change is not.
A democratic free speech country can be the most evil by far. Speech promoting evil is just more loud than the plebs speech, and media explains to the plebs why oligarchy is bestest speech.
World Incarceration Rates If Every U.S. State Were A Country
The top 35 “countries” in incarceration rates are US states. By this metric, the US is by far the most authoritarian state in the world. And research shows that it is an oligarchy, not a democracy.
While we aren't as bad as some other countries we are still pretty authoritarian we have the largest prison population in the world and have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
That doesn't happen without being authoritarian.
Define authoritarian
Why? You won't define communism.
ACAB really is universal.
Odd way to argue, but I can get you both:
Communism (no idea why you wanted this its kinda a non sequitur): a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
Authoritarian: Favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.
Notice that jailing people can fall into the authoritarian set but does not in itself make a nation authoritarian. Take the US for example, its worse then being authoritarian (at least following the rules would keep you out of jail mostly) since its high incarceration rates have more to do with private prisons making money and providing political kickbacks then any attempt at enforcing authoritarian rule.
Are you Grammar Police?
Why? Do I have to be? Or are you a member of the comment police?
I was responding specifically to @GrammarPolice@lemmy.world because of a previous interaction we had.
Then use a direct msg if you don't want people to engage with your comments on a public post on a website whose whole purpose is people interacting.
Oh, so you are the comment police. Got it
More of an explainer of the features and purpose of this website. What you are looking for is a mod, those are the comment police.
The USA has the highest incarcerated population in the world. Per capita it's about 2-4x the list of "authoritarian" states that usually get referenced.
Do you want to do a quick compare on the rates of extrajudicial killings as well?
I don't know what better quantitative measurement for "authoritarian" are than life and liberty. Do you have better ones?
While this is true I'm not sure what that has to do with authoritarianism. I think the reasons for incarceration speak far more to what is authoritarian and what isn't. A thousand people incarcerated for murder isn't authoritarian, a single person jailed for speech is. The US doesn't have a perfect track record there but it's far better than most other countries.
An ethnic minority criminalised and prosecuted several times more than the ethnic majority of the country is authoritarian though.
oh, like uyghurs?
Oh, do you have any statistics to bring up showing current, post-2021 incarceration rates by ethnicity in China?
only found this
and guess why I couldn't find an official and transparent statistic...
because china is very authoritarian and has a lot to hide
Yeah, Yunnan is an entirely different province than Xinjiang, the one where the reported abuses towards Uyghur are taking place.
Because we can't speak Chinese and China publishes such stuff in Chinese language maybe?
Chinese people feel differently about that, they consistently rate their country as a democracy much more than, say, US citizens do.
> Because we can't speak Chinese and China publishes such stuff in Chinese language maybe?
a lot of eu countries publish theirs in english too for the sake of transparancy, but ok
> Chinese people feel differently about that, they consistently rate their country as a democracy much more than, say, US citizens do.
funny, when was the last (fair) election in china? also the reason chinese people don't tell journalists how shitty their lives are is because they could get into a ~~concentration camp~~ reeducation camp for saying that and don't forget that all of that is for nothing since china got the highest millionair density in the world and thus can't be really communist imo and don't start me on holy xi trying to hide homelessness
https://www.newsweek.com/most-china-call-their-nation-democracy-most-us-say-america-isnt-1711176
Look, Chinese people reportedly care more about democracy and feel more in a democracy than USians, according to a study in Europe! Let's now proceed to ignore all of that because they're afraid of getting sent to labor camps, even when the prison population in the US is larger than in China while having 1/5th of the population!
For the record, I'm not particularly a fan of the Chinese model, it's just that the situation in the US is so bad that it's going to make almost anything look great in comparison lmao
china isn't honest about labour camps for muslim minorities, why would they be about the incarceration rate?
The reeducation camps are long closed. There is absolutely no evidence or indication whatsoever of incarceration rates anywhere close to that of the US, and you making it up just because "China bad" is conspiracy-brained
No, its a hallmark of an authoritarian rule, not the proof of one. Believe it or not many places in history have been right bastards and have also been anti-authoritarian (think french revolution, the start of most communist revolutions, etc.) sometimes they are so anti-authoritarian they end up authoritarian.
Homicide rate is far less than other countries.
People are jailed and murdered in the US over "speech" all the time.
It seems like your "us is far better" is based purely on vibes... Unless you've got some numbers you'd like to share?