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Your car is spying on you.

That is one takeaway from the fast, detailed data that Tesla collected on the driver of one of its Cybertrucks that exploded in Las Vegas earlier this week. Privacy data experts say the deep dive by Elon Musk’s company was impressive, but also shines a spotlight on a difficult question as vehicles become less like cars and more like computers on wheels.

“You might want law enforcement to have the data to crack down on criminals, but can anyone have access to it?” said Jodi Daniels, CEO of privacy consulting firm Red Clover Advisors. “Where is the line?”

Many of the latest cars not only know where you’ve been and where you are going, but also often have access to your contacts, your call logs, your texts and other sensitive information thanks to cell phone syncing.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep. And they can report things like speeding and hard braking events, those get uploaded to data aggregation services so the dealer makes $ selling your data, then your insurance company can buy it from the aggregator and raise your rates because they don’t like how you drive.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

raise your rates because they don’t like how you drive

That doesn't sound legal, but who knows in America.

[–] avattar@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's no question of legality if the don't get caught.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago
[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can get tattletale telemetry devices offered by the insurer that will lower your rate if the insurers are happy with your driving. The opposite is true as well, except its buried in your new car purchase contract that the telemetry is collected and sold.

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago

There are also plenty of horror stories of insurance companies trying to cancel insurance for drivers for things like the telemetry box reporting that the car is on a 30mph limit road that runs alongside a motorway that the car is actually on so it looks like the driver is doing 50mph over the speed limit.

If you get your insurance cancelled then you have to disclose it to future insurers for a long ass time afterwards, and if they then decide to let you insure (which a lot wont) then the cost to insure after having a policy cancelled is reportedly crippling.

I have never had an insurers telemetry box in my car and i never will. i'd rather pay more up front