cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/2614140
Also a Ukrainian communist i know confirmed it's true
this post was submitted on 30 Jul 2023
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The holodomor was made into a genocide by hearst press, which was a nazi publication run by a nazi who literally met with Hitler to discuss pr strategy. When it first made its rounds in the US it became obvious that it was a fraudulent story. And now people are believing nazi propaganda that people in 1930s America (which was pretty supportive of nazism) saw through pretty quickly.
The famine was terrible, and there was incompetence abound, but after the soviet archives were unsealed even people like anti-communist historian Robert Conquest reversed their position on whether it was a genocide.
Comparing this to the murder of 11 million people that the nazis considered subhuman is disgusting.
I'd like to see where you got that number of 32 million from, but for the sake of argument I'll accept it. I don't think it sounds completely unreasonable. That's still centuries of killing being in the same order of magnitude as what the Nazi's did in under a decade. The Nazi's took everything the US does wrong and dialed it up to 11. That is worse. It is. The US has done more than it's fair share of awful things. Yes, including genocide. It has never been as enthusiastic, brazen, or thorough about it as the Nazis were though. The Nazis were so evil even the United States looked at them and said that's too much. Let's not minimize what Nazis did just because they're not currently in charge of any countries. We don't want to go back to that.
What do you think I meant when I said "The Nazis took everything the US does wrong and dialed it up to 11." I know all this. I've known all this for decades. You do not have to think the US is good to think there are things that are even worse. The world is not as simple as USA bad, therefore everything else not as bad.
Man, I wish you were right. I wish this was the worst it could get. We don't get to live in that world though.
holodomor is a genocide.
that's not true. the holodomor occured in areas of ussr explicitly ukrainian and explicitly ukrainian only. yes kuban is ukrainian. only ukrainian people starved to death
You are free to continue to believe nazi myths used to justify killing Jewish "collaborators" during the nazi occupation of Ukraine even after professional anti-communist historians have changed their mind on the issue.
RIP to the victims of the holodomor
Rip to the Jewish people killed by folks who believed the same nazi propaganda you still believe.
Ok, gotcha. So the line at which the ideology is considered bad enough to be banned is below Holocaust, but above Holodomor. Nice to see it quantified
No, a party residing over a famine is not the line at which we should dismiss an ideology.
It is a result of the policies of the USSR that 3 - 10 million Ukrainian people starved to death, not a low crop yield famine.
You are free to continue to believe nazi myths used to justify killing Jewish "collaborators" during the nazi occupation of Ukraine even after professional anti-communist historians have changed their mind on the issue.