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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago (26 children)

Maybe some day they’ll care about voters the way they very obviously care about corporate donors.

How are you coming away with that the lesson to learn? The guys that won care even less for voters. The lesson appears to be: "Say whatever you think voters want to hear at that exact moment with no intention of following through for their benefit."

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago (16 children)

That's rather the point isn't it? Republicans lie constantly about everything but those lies are about things their voters want. Democrats meanwhile tell their voters that they'll get what Democrats are gracious enough to give them and be happy they're not as bad as the Republicans. In either case neither party is delivering what progressive voters are asking for. Then Democrats wonder why they have voter turnout problems.

People are sick and tired of showing up to vote for the lesser evil and the result being either things only get very slightly worse or much worse depending on who wins. It's particularly hard for people to justify investing that time and effort when they're struggling to just survive day to day and keep a roof over their head and food in their stomachs.

I and many others tried our best this last election to keep Trump out of office but we can all only do so much when the Democrats are working against us every step of the way. We need an actual progressive running on progressive policies out of the Democrats if they want to win an election, because running as diet conservative isn't cutting it anymore.

People gave Bernie a lot of shit for being a populist but you know what? He motivated people. His supporters were excited to get out and vote for him. Unfortunately he was never given the chance and instead we got the same tired "we'll run on Republican policies from two decades ago" Democrats.

Even Obama, the most "progressive" Democrat in at least fifty years, promised socialized healthcare like the rest of the first world countries have but ended up delivering a watered down half assed Republican healthcare plan instead.

So yeah, people are sick and tired of Democrats that only ever seem to be able to successfully deliver things wealthy corporate donors are asking for.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Democrats at least in the last cycle told their voters what they can get based on what is achievable during a term.

It was a realistic outlook. It wasn't just lying and pandering.

What seems to be what you would prefer which is absolutely crazy. Why do you want to be lied to just for your vote and then no actual action taken? Somehow that is better than being told what is real and then action being taken on what is possible?

The amount of commentary in this thread that share the sentiment is mind-boggling. If most of the voter base in this country only cares about lip service then this place is well and truly fucked. Nothing can fix that, not within a couple generations.

If this is the case then idiocracy really was a documentary....

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago

Why do you want to be lied to just for your vote and then no actual action taken? Somehow that is better than being told what is real and then action being taken on what is possible?

The amount of commentary in this thread that share the sentiment is mind-boggling. If most of the voter base in this country only cares about lip service then this place is well and truly fucked.

What I find mind-boggling is how you can look at the actual performance and actions of the Democratic party over the last couple decades and claim that any of their campaign promises or leftist rhetoric was anything but lip service and lies with no actual action taken. The proof is in the pudding and the pudding is rotten. Keep telling us about "what is possible" while the Republican party continues to do "the impossible" day after day in their quest for power.

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