TBH, I'm also a combo of pissed-off and disappointed by how relatively few Redditors put their "fuck spez" energy in to trying to help Lemmy grow, instead seeming to expect it to be a ready-made substitute for Reddit, prone to tantrums / bitchiness when they encountered minor difficulties. And I'm also disappointed by the actual Lemmings dedicated enough to stay, yet still seem completely content to sit on their arses, not contribute much, and take casual pot-shots at stuff that wasn't 'up to standard.' Take a recent post of mine, for example: (yes it's my pity-party, and I'll cry if I want to, lol)

https://lemm.ee/post/48617161

As the founder of the community and main content creator, I must say the downvotes hurt on that one! I was also getting accused of going off-topic (I wasn't) and just 'pushing a button to create the content' (it was more like the reverse).

So in some ways I've created a situation in which my users (kinda joking here, kinda not) are bloodsucking parasites who don't care about my efforts if and only unless they happen to fancy it. Really, that's perfectly fine with me up until they swarmed on the downvote button.

But whadya gonna do, right? I can't just assume peoples' reactions, and I'm not here to tell others what to do. So in the end, I wound up sulking for a week, then getting back to content creation, and I feel like that's pretty reasonable in the end. Win-win, so to speak. I guess. Maybe..?

The real problem of course is that I don't know how much longer I'm going to be around (significant health issues, and now just living in the USA during the coming administration), and I'd very much like to get our sublemmy running better with user-generated content before I check out.

Hroom, hroom, hroom, as Treebeard might say...

[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (10 children)

Lemmy was interesting in the first months but then the fundamentals won and it just looks like worse Reddit. Techies got their orange site, hobbyists never left Reddit, what we have here is anarchists mostly and politics which sucks. All servers feel too political because it was founded on politics. It was founded by commies and that probably will forever reflect in taste of its dramas and annoyances. It has monotonous flavour without this kind of spice of neurodivergency that produces very interesting content. It was there in first months but then those people just went away who knows where.

Also Reddit on its own as a social formula is kinda shit, it got big more against the chances than because it is somehow inherently good imo

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

If it helps to share my perspective: I almost left the Fediverse entirely after Kbin.social fell apart and my only options were to either move to Lemmy, return to Reddit, or go literally nowhere (online I mean, so I would e.g. read books and play games irl, basically touch grass, but avoid social media entirely - it's not nearly as difficult as people say, I've done it a good fraction of my life actually, bc I know I have an addictive personality and especially a corporate run one would feed into that).

So I decided to give Lemmy a try, despite knowing it was run by tankies. And while I suck at posting content that people enjoy, I tried in my own way to make people feel more welcomed by commenting on existing posts, to make them more lively.

Though when I commented in ChapoTrapHouse@hexbear.net that at least Biden had lowered gasoline prices, and while that was not everything it also was not nothing, and did help the poorest people who need that, I got replies for WEEKS and WEEKS afterwards. And then again for a similar comment made in lemmygrad.ml (my instances apparently at the time had defederated from neither). It was very toxic, and I don't need that shit in my life. Literally nothing - as in no social media - would have been preferable.

But then I noticed that nearly all of the toxicity that I saw at the time was coming from the big 3 tankie instances. Since leaning that, my experiences on the Fediverse have greatly improved!

Note this has nothing to do with "politics" and everything to do with CONSENT to receive their bullshit, alternative-fact takes shoved down my throat (continuing for WEEKS and WEEKS at a time - who does that!? outside of those instances I mean). And to be fair, if that's how they want to be then okay then, you do you, except: it would have been nice to have been warned?

A LARGE part of what is turning people away from the Fediverse is its toxicity. And the lack of features such as proper labeling of communities isn't helping any. The desktop web UI shows the sidebar, which would have explained to me that ChapoTrapHouse is all about dunking onto liberals - OOOOHHHH, so maybe I don't want to make a comment there that isn't 100% trashing Biden? Good to know, thanks! - but the mobile web UI does not do that, e.g. for posts found via All, and neither does a good many apps such as Voyager.

It's not ready for a mainstream audience yet, technologically speaking. Hence most hobbiests remain on Reddit, or else literally eschew social media altogether. That's better than the alternative - apparently - i.e. coming here and getting "dunked on", like the above commentor talking about being so heavily downvoted. We are not very welcoming here, hence people don't want to come here. I know that 100% of the people I've recommended to try it have not liked it. It's going to take some work to clean ourselves up if we want hobbiests to feel like Lemmy is worthwhile for them. (And frankly I expect it will never happen, but I am putting my hopes into PieFed, or Sublinks if it revives, bc PieFed already has features that make it welcoming, like showing the sidebar text below every single post - mind you its Notifications feature is barely functional so it is not ready for a mainstream audience either, but the fact that such welcoming features are already present is heartwarming! ❤️💕:-)

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