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[–] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 118 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Unelected, serve for life, say they are untouchable and can do as they please. How is that not a king?

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Any position that is for life is too long, especially an appointed one with almost zero mechanisms for removal.

[–] outrageousmatter@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Almost, impeachment is one big one allowed. I believe only one justice was impeached but I bet the issue is, you can't get republicans to agree as then democrats can put one in. Which is a terrible injustice so they'll make sure to vote down anything to make sure the supreme court stays right winged.

[–] xuxebiko@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[–] elscallr@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Except the one mechanism for removal. You don't need more than one.

[–] xuxebiko@kbin.social 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

because they're not murdered by their successor?

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

Not murdered by their successor so far

[–] stown@sedd.it 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Ruth Ginsburg the Wise?

[–] xuxebiko@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

too soon

Still miss her :(

[–] Nepoleon@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Because Supreme Court cant create their own laws directly, missing legislature power, having no direct power to control national finances/budgets, a main power of a country and they dont have control of the executives including army and police. All their power depends on laws made by legislature and constitution.

Thats how the three pillars of power works in all democracies. Just because your legislature or executives or even forefathers who made the constitution fucked up, doesnt mean the supreme court is an absolute monarchy. The biggest piece of shit mistake you made was having a two party system. In other countries, supreme courts arent as binary partisan. Coalitions of Partys vote way more reasonable judges to supreme courts

[–] blanketswithsmallpox@kbin.social 23 points 2 years ago

Considering the Supreme Court's entire schtick is the arbitrary definition of a word's meaning by the sitting justices... I'd disagree.

They can literally change the definition of a law at a whim. It doesn't really matter at that point what the law even says unless it's lawyered up specifically to remove their powers. Even then, don't expect the conservative justices to go down without a fight lol.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

The problem is that they blatantly collude with the other two pillars. They can't make their own laws, but they can collude with the others to bring a case to their doorstep to make a ruling not based on precedent or good faith interpretation of the law.

They effectively can create whatever laws they want, just with extra steps.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago

George Washington warned against bicameralism, but they ignored him. Our Supreme Court positions have always been non-partisan until recent history.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 years ago

Thats how the three pillars of power works in all democracies.

And the amount of people willing to dismantle this particular one means it does serve its purpose well.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 years ago

The "unelected" part is on purpose, though I'd prefer sortition.

The biggest group of voters may decide who controls the government, but they shouldn't decide who takes places in the supreme court. At least not in the same mechanism.

Well, unless you can make it a 95% "in favor" vote, of course. Then, I guess, there'd be no hope anyway.