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Stop drinking milk not intended for you, problem solved. Go Vegan !
I greatly enjoy eating vegans. Very lean and easy to catch.
nature doesn't have intent
Yes it does, we invented it ON PURPOSE
What about milk intended for me? I mean, my mom may have trouble producing at her age, but...
Fellow lemming is so single they can't get milk from their partner. UwU
You can't milk a blow-up doll...
Not with that attitude
I think my girlfriend would be weirded out if I asked her to take domperidone...
Good news! As long as its given consentually then human milk is vegan!
Gross edit: some body builders buy it to bulk up!
the vegan society definition makes no mention of consent.
That could be! Despite that, a big part of minimizing harm is consent!
not necessarily
Correct!
I always am
I found something similar to our vegan debate! Polution!
Its ever increasing year over year, but efforts to reduce pollution have reduced the rate of increase.
Would you argue that since pollution increases year over year that we should abandon our current efforts as its clear they aren't working?
we should do things that are effective at tackling our problems. your question is too broad to answer with any more specificity.
I dont need specifics because the proof is already there that whatever is being done now isnt working. Just like you argue that efforts to reduce animal consumption are proven futile by the increase in animal consumption year over year.
I think you're mixing up the means with the end. if your goal is to reduce animal product production, you need to go where animal products are produced and stop it. if your goal is to reduce pollution, go to where pollution is produced, and stop it. but simply stopping consumption, on an individual basis, isn't going to do it.
Its just as unrealistic that one person affects global pollution as much as it is unrealistic that one person go and personally stop the pollution at the source, isnt it?
It seems like you are arguing noone should do either direct or indirect action, since neither is feasible on an individual basis.
no, one person can shut down a pipeline. it's just a valve you can turn off.
You know thats absurd or else people would be doing it. Its not just a valve, and its not out in the open with no protections. My cousin used to guard the Alaskan pipeline. How do you suppose I go and affect that without getting shot?
people do it.
Its less likely than people choosing not to eat meat.
I'm not sure what sort of great effect you expect a single person to have attempting to either steal all the worlds animals and hide them or to destroy oil infrastructure.
it would be more effective than buying beans and hoping .
Nah
you're saying that cows aren't supposed to exist
Fr. It tastes the same, barely taxing for the environment compared to cow milk (depending on the type of milk), plus you don't torture animals. Sounds like a win-win-win situation to me
Edit: Gimme your downvotes guys. I thrive on them 💅🏻
It absolutely does not taste the same. Which works for me because I don't like the taste of cow milk.
There are some brands that emulate the taste of cow milk for those who want that is what I meant. Obviously my view is skewed given that I've been vegan for like 4 years
The main thing for me is most people are lactose intolerant to some degree. It can be worth trying alternative milks just to see if you feel better with it.
They are weak, and can only be purified through the gas of adversity
Edit: flatulence
It occurred to me that the other phrasing could be problematic
Lol I liked both versions!
Your comment is great. Please keep speaking up for morals!
Appreciate you 🙏🏻❤️
milking cows isn't torture, but I'm pretty sure humans have a bigger carbon footprint than cattle
Forceful impregnation, constant pregnancy, kicked and beaten calves and their mothers, separation of calves from the mother and their killing. Shall I go on?
artificial insemination isn't torture. cows aren't kept constantly pregnant. kicking and beating cows isn't part of husbandry. killing cows at the end of their useful life is fine.
Doing so to a creature who can't consent is pretty wack though.
Female mammals, including cows, produce milk as a result of pregnancy in order to feed their young. The dairy industry is for-profit, they're not going to let their dairy cows have downtime from producing milk if there's money to be made.
The meat and dairy industries have lobbied hard for ag-gag laws criminalizing photography on their farms after abuses have been discovered by undercover investigators and activists. It is undoubtedly a part of animal agriculture. Here's a whole paper about it, if it interests you.
It definitely isn't the worse part of the miserable lives we make them live after breeding them in massive numbers. It's probably a relief at that point.
Also, just a sidenote here, I scrolled a bit through your history and you seem to go on the defensive for meat and dairy whenever you come across anything relating to veganism or the negative impacts of those industries. You engage with vegan content much more than I do and I'm vegan! I don't think I can change your mind about veganism, nor do I really feel the desire to write any more than I already have. But, I don't know, maybe go comment on stuff you enjoy rather than getting riled up about this stuff? It might make for a more enjoyable experience on lemmy.
I don't tell you what to do. kindly return the courtesy.
further, I'm not riled up but your screed indicates you might be.
Thanks for writing this up. I just knew they would get all defensive so I didn't even want to bother replying, but I'm very happy about other people chiming in. vegoon btw ❤️
your characterization is irrelevant to the truth of what I've said.
and that's bad
but it's still not necessary to kick cattle for milk
it's a veterinary procedure
they don't have any volition in the matter. they produce milk. period. but they're not constantly pregnant.
According to google, they need to birth one calf a year after a 9 month pregnancy, so they are pregnant 3/4 of their adult life, that sounds close enough to constant. Also, did you need to make 5 different comments?
to be clear, it's not constant.