Honestly, MLs tend to do this with a lot of convos, I feel.
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If the left guarantees dems our votes then they will only move further right to get anti-trump right-wingers’ reluctant votes. They will only be pressured to not be as bad as republicans if we pressure them by not “voting blue no matter who.”
That's purely speculation. I can also speculate that by letting Republicans win, the spineless Dems are just gonna join the winning side and swap over. Plenty have already done so or became libertarians who are just mini republicans. If popular support is on the side of the more extreme right then everyone moves further right. You can literally see this effect in CNN where they have increasingly worse narratives sliding towards the fascist right.
By the way the same Republicans are portraying the LGBTQ community as associated with groomers and also happen to have the gun nuts on their side. At least democrats don't actively do that. Republicans have been sliding real fast towards an even more extreme right ever since the trump presidency.
But sure both are equal and let's not vote and let Republicans win every seat. Definitely not gona have a worsening affect marginalized communities.
This acts like the democrats do anything else. They didn’t codify Roe. They didn’t stop the migrant concentration camps. They haven’t stopped states from persecuting trans people. They didn’t stop the us from invading Afganistan. They didn’t pull out of Iraq. They didn’t stop the US from militarizing Somalia. They didn’t stop the US from finding fascist Ukraine.
Ok then vote republican next election. Since it doesn't matter.
That’s not a particularly civil thing to say and only tells me you have no interest in having a productive conversation but only want to be rude and argumentative
You literally refuse to backoff of the point that voting doesn't matter or that we shouldn't vote dem over republican so by all means vote republican.
Since as you say in your argument it doesn't matter and that Dems are just as bad. Explain to me how it matters based on your arguments so far.
What do you mean by backoff?
Does voting matter or not? Does voting dem over Republicans matter or not? You keep on writing essays on how bad democrats are and yes they are as I said imperialists still and I never supported voting communism into office and only revolutions can achieve it. But all I am saying is that in the mean time, taking 10min to vote dem over Republicans will at best alleviate worse situations or at worse as you say do nothing so why not do it?
What exactly are you trying to argue for?
10 minutes? Have you voted before? It’s at least an hour long affair where you drive and stand in hot sun while you wait to vote for two sides of the exact same coin who do the exact same things. What do you mean by backoff?
You fundamentally believe Republicans in office in the future is exactly the same as democrats in the office so there is nothing more for us to discuss.
They haven’t shown any reason to believe they aren’t. You still haven’t explain what you meant by backoff
My personal position is that voting matters so little that is pointless to argue about it. Maybe it’s useful in some situations, but I don’t see why anyone should vote for Biden again. Either way, the minimal impact of voting means you need to be doing praxis in more meaningful ways too. Vote or don’t, there’s no point to convince someone not to if you believe it has little effect. Both parties are so evil why pick a lesser one? Just please don’t wast your time campaigning or donating to Joe Biden.
in the history of the US have the voters ever voted the rich out of power?