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[–] jj4211@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (57 children)

The thing is there is nothing actionable at all in that rhetoric. There's a lot of Marxist jargon and a lament that voting can never work, but the only guidance is "establish socialism" with no suggested actionable moves because we can't just wave a wand and make that the case. If you can't envision and recommend a democratic strategy to get there, you aren't going to get anywhere near your objectives.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (56 children)

The answer is to join revolutionary orgs like the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL) or Freedom Road Socialist Organization (FRSO). Only through organization outside the electoral system does the Proletariat have any hope of steering the ship and seizing the reigns.

There is no electoral strategy to get to Socialism because it's nearly impossible, just like asking the board of directors to hand the reigns of the company to you.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago (51 children)

The answer is to join revolutionary org

Why? When is the revolution going to happen? Where and when are we supposed to gather?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I already answered the why. The where and when depends on organization, right now orgs aren't as strong as they need to be, hence the importance of joining. The where is wherever your local org gathers, the when is whenever they meet and based on what they need you to do.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

These organizations have been around for decades, yes? Seems like there's never going to be a when.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (48 children)

That's the same logic as saying there's never going to be a cure for cancer because research has been done for decades.

As Capitalism gets older, it trends towards monopolization, increasingly complex production methods take increasing amounts of investment to compete, killing the ability of smaller competitors to exist. The Rate of Profit shrinks the less human labor is involved with production, which is only temporarily countered by consolidation, even further monopolization! Wealth concentrates in fewer and fewer hands, Capitalism reaches a moribund stage.

What is undeniable is that this disparity is increasing further and further, and monopolization is increasing further and further. The revolutionary potential of the Proletariat is held at bay through further exploitation of the Global South, which appears to be weakening over time.

While nobody can name a date, I find it even harder to believe that someone could meaningfully believe that the trends I listed are going to reverse themselves and have Capitalism last forever.

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