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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/20911849

By Umar A Farooq in Washington
Published date: 30 September 2024 11:01 BST

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[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (21 children)

You're kidding yourself. The Democrats absolutely have to move right when left wing people refuse to vote, otherwise they lose.

Withdrawing your vote is literally withdrawing left wing influence on politics and anything else is just a complicated lie.

Letting the republicans win is just encouraging the democrats to be more like the republicans.

If you convince everyone who cares about Gaza not to vote, then the parties absolutely cannot afford to have a pro Gaza stance, because it's electoral suicide - all the people who care about Gaza don't vote and will the people who just hate on Muslims so.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago (20 children)

You're kidding yourself. The Democrats absolutely have to move right when left wing people refuse to vote, otherwise they lose.

They can move left if they want left votes.

Withdrawing your vote is literally withdrawing left wing influence on politics and anything else is just a complicated lie.

Do you think the Dems analyze the percentage of votes based on the beliefs of their voters? What fantasy land do you live in? The Dems keep trucking along for their donors and appeal to areas they want votes in from the public. If Leftists always vote for dems as a fixed lever, then Dems will move right to satisfy their donors more because the leftists are spineless.

Letting the republicans win is just encouraging the democrats to be more like the republicans.

If the dems don't want leftist votes and move to the right, that's a problem with the dems, not leftists.

If you convince everyone who cares about Gaza not to vote, then the parties absolutely cannot afford to have a pro Gaza stance, because it's electoral suicide - all the people who care about Gaza don't vote and will the people who just hate on Muslims so.

I convince people to vote for anti-genocide parties like PSL and the Greens. Not supporting Palestine is electoral suicide.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (9 children)

Do you think the Dems analyze the percentage of votes based on the beliefs of their voters?

No, I think they see the republicans win with right wing policies, sigh and say "I guess we've gotta do some of that shit to get elected."

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Do you think the Dems try to serve their voters, or their donors?

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They try to gain power, and they follow the votes that count towards the result. They ignore the votes that ignore the contest. You seem to think they pay attention to the non voters' views more than the voters views, which is irrational.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You keep pretending third party voters are non-voters, which is definitionally false.

The Dems follow the money, which comes from their donors. This drives policy.

For electoralism, they gesture to their voterbase, but this doesn't impact their real policy.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You keep pretending third party voters are non-voters, which is definitionally false.

You keep pretending that choosing to not affect the outcome affects the outcome.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It certainly affects the outcome, it signals support for ending genocide and delegitimizes the system.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, it makes no difference at all. Trump will win or Harris will win. If Trump wins, the democrats will move right to try to win again.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And you'll keep goose stepping with them rather than hop off and join the Leftists in saving the world.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You're not saving anybody letting the fascists take over the government of the largest military.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

You're not saving anybody letting the fascists take over the government of the largest military.

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