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[–] Sl00k@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Fediverse admins pay fees for their instances.

Yes but they have communities within their instance. With ATProto everything is published to the protocol so there's no inherent internal community, the instance is just the infrastructure at that point, not a community.

Also in terms of expense I've seen it's around $250 / month which equivalent to larger Lemmy instances, I think programming dev was around this price point so it's not absurdly large. But it is at the point of why run this if I'm just hosting infrastructure and not creating a community.

I have been reading that some people are working on subdomain @'s (equivalent to Lemmy username@domain) within ATProto, which leads to more community interaction, but I think that's still handled under the Domain federation not the PDS / Relay federation.

[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 6 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Also in terms of expense I’ve seen it’s around $250 / month which equivalent to larger Lemmy instances, I think programming dev was around this price point so it’s not absurdly large.

I don't know about prog dev, but Lemmy instances are fairly cheap to run, see this thread https://lemmy.world/post/19466047.

And to give my potential hot take, but I think what Bluesky and the AT protocol does should be called crawling instead of federating. If I understand things correctly, then what AT expects is for a replay to crawl the network looking for relevant data in PDSs, as opposed to APub where you push your data to the relevant places. I know this is semantics, but if we accept the Bluesky definition of federation then Google and Bing are federation services and that just doesn't feel right.

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I don’t know about prog dev, but Lemmy instances are fairly cheap to run, see this thread https://lemmy.world/post/19466047

It's more expensive than a Lemmy Instance and with less opportunity to build a community that would help fund it.

[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'm struggling to see a reason why anyone would run an AT replay and that's probably by design.

[–] Emperor@feddit.uk 5 points 11 months ago

Indeed. If you invent your own protocol you would have to make it easy to set-up an instance and there should be a good reason why you'd want to. As it doesn't and there isn't, either some very clever people are very bad at their job or this is the point.

As most Bluesky users don't care (they're just grateful for somewhere like Xitter they can go to) I don't really see much coming of this aspect but, if any regulators pull them up for any issues it is always there as a Get Out of Jail Free card - we can't be anticompetitive because we have federation (swap "anticompetitive" for whatever enshittification shenanigans they come up with further down the line).

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