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Trump isn’t an icon of positive masculinity. He also did very little for young men during his four years as president

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[–] DancingBear@midwest.social -3 points 1 year ago (23 children)

Feminism has done a great job of bringing woman and girl issues of importance into the public dialogue.

Men and boys have definitely been left in the dust.

Until we have a movement that represents men’s issues similar to feminism, this trend of men falling off the deep end will continue.

It can be argued that feminism is part of the problem, and has exacerbated many of the problems facing young men today. This is the entrance to the rabbit hole, and again, until we have a movement that represents men and boys similar to a feminism that just means equality and or equity, this trend will continue.

[–] andyburke@fedia.io 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Your commwnt seems like it comes from a men/women us/them perspective that's really confusing for me.

The problem isn't feminism. Feminism hasn't been damaging. Toxic masculinity has been damaging. The feminist movement would have had a real hard time existing without the suffrage movement that proceeded it. And that movement would have been totally unnecessary without patriarchy/toxic masculinity convincing men of the time women were not human enough to vote.

So ... your explanation, to me, at best seems ignorant of a decent chunk of recent history.

[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you think the situation before the 19th amendment was ratified was 'men could vote and women couldn't', you're carrying around an elementary school level understanding of that history.

There were demographics of men who still weren't allowed to vote after the 19th, who the suffragettes gave zero shits about enabling.

This narrative of 'feminism fights for men's issues too' needs to die. It has never been true on any significant scale, and this rhetoric only started as a means to devalue and justify attacking movements that do seek to address misandry and injustices with primarily/exclusively male victims.

[–] andyburke@fedia.io 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I gave but a small slice of historical context. You decided I left stuff out on purpose and then made that left out stuff about "male victims."

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[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Just reacting to the irony of you saying what you said while accusing another of being 'ignorant of a chunk of history'.

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