The NFL season is about to start and it would be nice to have as many people as possible participating on the communities from https://nfl.community/. Being a topic-specific instance with closed registrations, I'm aware that it is harder to be discovered, so I'm writing here with the intent of both promoting a bit and to find enthusiasts joining in.

If you'd like to help the instance and the team communities grow, there are two ways to help:

Join https://fediverser.network/, find the Lemmy community you want to help and apply to become a Community Ambassador. Community Ambassadors can add different sources of content and also send invites to "good" reddit users to migrate.
Become a moderator of your team community. The communities are still all low in traffic, so I guess the hardest part for the moderators will be in finding and posting the type of content that you'd like to see in the community, in order to set out its tone.

As always, if you have any questions don't hesitate to ask!

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[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago (13 children)

The idea is to have one recommendation for each subreddit, not of all communities that can theoretically be related to a given subreddit.

I get that. And that's why I say it's not trying to help people understand Fediverse or ease them into it, but just to find a clone of the enshitified platform.

If someone sets up a Fediverser instance to mirror Reddit content <...>

There is 0 value in that. What's the point of mirroring Reddit and then asking Reddit users to join here, instead of staying where they are, if the content is the same?

Multiple fediverser sites is not a problem. Actually, there are already other deployments and I'm actively looking for other admins willing to deploy it on their servers.

How does this help with easing users into Fediverse? You object to the idea of listing multiple alternatives because it's confusing, but you are fine with multiple sites for the same recommendations. Seems contradictory.

Also, can you give me a reason for rejecting !rivian@lemmy.zip? And explaining why communities with 0 activity (e.g. !playstation@level-up.zone and !xbox@level-up.zone) are chosen over active ones?

[–] rglullis@communick.news 2 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Getting people out of Reddit and into the Fediverse is the goal. If that happens though different Fediverser instances, it's fine.

What's the point of mirroring Reddit if the content is the same?

Because Reddit's content is not the problem, the rent seeking is. Their shitty client is. Their closing of the API is.

The people that are still on Reddit are not there out of loyalty, they are just there because that is where they find the content.

a reason for rejecting !rivian@lemmy.zip?

Because it is a community that is not on a topic specific instance with 3 posts, all by yourself.

why communities with 0 activity (e.g. !playstation@level-up.zone and !xbox@level-up.zone) are chosen over active ones?

That is my mistake. I was setting these communities for Reddit mirroring. What alternatives do you think should be in its place?

[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Getting people out of Reddit and into the Fediverse is the goal. If that happens though different Fediverser instances, it's fine.

I feel like you are purposely avoiding the question. You previously said:

Baby steps. go take a look at /r/RedditAlternatives right now and see how many people are telling how difficult it is to migrate. We are not getting them out of enshittified platforms if they are thrown into a whole new paradigm. We need to ease them into it.

So how does multiple instances help with that? From my point of view, it makes it much more difficult and more confusing.

Because Reddit's content is not the problem, the rent seeking is. Their shitty client is. Their closing of the API is.

That is a false fallacy. We know that is not true from failed blackout. There were multiple platforms that people could have gone to, but didn't. Even outside Fediverse, where complexity of usability is not an issue. A very small minority of people left due to 3rd party clients being killed.

Because it is a community that is not on a topic specific instance with 3 posts, all by yourself.

!latteart@lemmy.zip is identical to !rivian@lemmy.zip. I'm the only poster, but it was approved.

I'm just trying to understand what are the criteria. Does criteria from https://communick.news/comment/2934810 also apply to first recommendation or all recommendations? Because there are plenty of recommended communities with solo posters.

Is it better to have no recommendation until some threshold is reached?

What alternatives do you think should be in its place?

All that matches the criteria, whatever they are from the above, but clearly we are in disagreement here.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So how does multiple instances help with that?

They don't help, but they don't make it worse.

We can have people on fediverser.network trying to convince redditors to migrate. They will check the website, go through the instance selector, find an instance and register. Hopefully, they will be auto subscribed to the communities that are recommended and be satisfied with what they have.

Let's say we have another fediverser instance deployed by some admin from, e.g, Slovenia. This admin goes and promote their fediverser instance as the best one from Slovenians that want to migrate. There will be no "find my instance selector", because the fediverser instance is already has connected to a specific Lemmy server. The recommended communities has some overlap with fediverser.network, but for some communities they will prefer to recommend the completely local one.

Let's say one of the admins from lemmygrad/hexbear/tankie.social also deploys their own fediverser instance. They will be reaching out to a different subset of redditors, and those redditors will be expecting a different subset of communities.

Three different instances. Three different audiences, all of them with the common goal of getting people to migrate from Reddit to the Fediverse. It doesn't matter from the individual redditor point of view which instance they used to migrate, as long as the recommendations are sound. But if we try to get every redditor to through the same one instance, we will end up satisfying no one.

[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hopefully, they will be auto subscribed to the communities that are recommended and be satisfied with what they have.

So you agree that the goal is not to ease people into Fediverse, but to create a clone like experience. Glad we finally got to that.

It doesn't matter from the individual redditor point of view which instance they used to migrate, as long as the recommendations are sound.

That's where we disagree. You think a single recommendation is sound and "less confusing" instead of helping people understand what Fediverse is and how it works.

I don't think it's productive, but good luck with the effort.

[–] rglullis@communick.news 0 points 1 year ago

So you agree that the goal is not to ease people into Fediverse, but to create a clone like experience.

No, not at all.

I do not want to force people to use an specific client that shoves ads on their faces.
I do not want to collect and track user data
I do not want to have any saying with the moderation teams.
I do not want to sell and monetize UGC and claim copyright on them.
I do not want to ban communities because they might scare off advertisers.

You believe that Lemmy is better Reddit because of the things that it can do. I believe that Lemmy can be better than Reddit because of the things that it can not. Do you understand the difference?

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