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TV and movies should not be able to show crimes, because images depicting crimes should be illegal.
(I’m just illustrating the slippery slope criminalizing “artistic” renderings)
I'm not advocating for what you're saying here at all.
So there you go, your slope now has gravel on it.
EDIT: This dude was arrested using today's laws, and I'm pretty sure the series Dexter is still legal to write, direct, film, and view. So your slippery slope is a fallacious one (as most of them tend to be in my experience).
So artistic images of things that would be a crime in real life should be legal?
Sure, with some exceptions and reasonable definitions.
So, murder images should probably be banned right? One of those exceptions.
Never said, wrote, or even thought any such thing.
I know, it’s a question. What about… rape? Is that okay? What are your exceptions?
CSAM is the exception, Socrates. Also as far as definitions go, computer models aren't artists.
So, hand drawn is fine?
I don't know how well-rendered CSAM has to be in order to be considered legal or illegal, and I frankly don't give a shit.
You seem to give a shit.
You seem to give a shit. I'm completely fine with the current legal constraints.
EDIT: I have a downvote button too! Look at us!
I’m just hesitant to make open ended laws about things that aren’t actually real. What’s next? Images mocking Jesus are illegal?
Is every surface a non-stop slip and slide to you?
These are bad arguments. Spare me the "this will encroach on the first amendment" for a case of something where the laws that someone was arrested under encroach on the first amendment in a way you disagree with.
Maybe that is this case, maybe you already think it's "a step too far" for people to be arrested for AI CSAM...but then argue that instead of trying to pretend that it's a step along a path to a violation of some great philosophical principle you hold.
I’m just interested where your morals stop. An AI image of murdering a child is perfectly fine with you—in a legal sense—as long as they have pants on. Strange.
Morality and legality are two completely different things.
Morally, I think all of it sucks ass including what you're describing...but that only has a tenuous relationship with what is or ought to be illegal.
Well, we will have to agree to disagree on some things.
Btw, I enjoyed that slip and slide comment. Very clever.
Why should this be illegal?
Because it's illegal.
It should be illegal for a number of reasons. One is a simple practical one: as the technology advances towards increasing levels of realism it'll become impossible for law enforcement to determine what material is "regular" CSAM versus what material is "generated" CSAM.
So, unless you're looking to repeal all laws against possession of CSAM, you'll have a difficult time crafting a cut-out for generated CSAM.
And honestly, why bother? What's the upside here? To have pedos get a more fulfilling wank to appease them and hope they won't come after your kids for real? I really doubt the premise behind that one.
Allowing for victimless crimes simply because a group is undesirable is a terrible precedent. We can't ban things just because they make us uncomfortable. Or because it makes law enforcements job easier.
I wouldn't even call it victimless, and we have all kinds of actual victimless crimes that are already illegal so I don't care about supposedly setting this "precedent" that has already been set a million times over.
And we should be undoing those laws
We aren't though, so it's frankly pretty odd that you're fixated on this one.
It's frankly pretty odd that Lemmy in general seems to be fairly pro-generated-CSAM. I'm betting you guys are just afraid of the feds finding your stashes.
EDIT: I basically get maybe three replies a week to things I post on here, except when I post something about being okay with generated CSAM or deepfake porn being illegal (in which case I get binders full of creeps in my inbox).
There it is. "If you disagree with me you're a pedo". You people always go back to that. I bet I could convince you to hack off your own arm as long as I said anyone with a left arm is a pedo.
I bet you've never convinced anyone of anything ever.
I'm not interested in going a hundred rounds with you on this. You haven't made any convincing arguments at all; you're making the type of shitty "anti-regulation" arguments that right libertarians have been making in bad faith in threads with me and others for decades.
And all to what end?
There's nothing much to be gained by allowing this filth to be legal, and enforceability of important law to be lost.
Bootlickers throughout history.
Rights are rights, and they should apply to everyone. Even the unsavory types.
Rights can have boundaries; freedoms can have restrictions. Take your toddler's understanding of law, rights, freedoms, along with your don't tread on me flag and kindly fuck off.
Freedom from thoughtcrime should have no restrictions. It should never be a crime simply to think or feel a certain way.
Victimless crimes should not be a thing. Anything that doesn't harm anyone should be legal.