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But what if I don’t mind engaging with fascists? I don’t personally find it harmful to me to debate them, and I don’t like leaving their claims unchallenged.
Obviously one needs a slightly different approach when dealing with people that are not engaging in good faith, but I still think there’s value in helping the community understand why and how they are wrong.
I also enjoy that debate motivates me to do research and understand the issues more deeply. This is valuable for me, even if I don’t persuade anyone else about anything.
I understand some people may not want to do this, and I respect that and am happy to do this so they don’t have to. But if you’re like me, I don’t see any reason not to push back even if it does take some time.
Dude I love debating with fascists. You obviously can't let them dictate the terms, but it's a chance for great educational setups that are just weird if you come in from nowhere and start talking about them.
They say Biden caused inflation and everyone's suffering because of him and only him
You say actually that's not true, working class wages have actually been rising (even adjusted for pretty punishing inflation) and that happened specifically because of policies X, Y, Z, and you link to a chart of wage growth over different income levels which some people may not have been aware of
They say how dare you defend Biden when everyone knows he's killing Palestinians on purpose
You say that's a really good point, he did take the biggest action on climate change in history by a margin of almost ten times over
They say wait wait I was talking about Palestinians
You say hey you're right Trump did say he wanted to just kill them all, and Biden (for all his fuckin war criminal weapons shipments) is weirdly enough the most anti-Israeli president (in terms of action) the US has ever had. For as sad a statement as that is. He put sanctions on settlers, he paused weapons shipments, etc etc, people should be aware, I'm glad you brought it up
They say what the fuck are you talking about he never put sanctions on settlers, or he undid them, their eyes already filling with aggrieved "this isn't fair" tears
You link to an editorial from some Israeli minister about how bullshit is Biden's behavior and why his actions against Israel are absolutely criminal and we need to get rid of him. Probably no one reading the exchange will have been aware of that editorial.
And so on
It's a blast