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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 11 points 1 year ago (14 children)

This article seems shockingly naive.

He knows that without American involvement he won’t be able to strike a deal to free the hostages Hamas is still holding in Gaza.

Netanyahu clearly doesn't give a shit about the hostages. It's better for him, politically, if they are still out there and justifying the atrocities he wants to commit, than if the hostages thing is resolved and he's just being a genocidal maniac.

He also understands that a military defeat of Hamas will matter little if the group can reconstitute itself

Same thing. Hamas being out there is clearly much better for Netanyahu's priorities. This is why the Israeli government likes to facilitate Hamas staying in power, route aid to them, support them against their less violent domestic opposition -- because Netanyahu has decided on taking land and killing Palestinians, and the more damage Hamas is doing, the better a flimsy excuse he will have in place for doing so.

Moreover, he understands that if he wants an alternative to Hamas rule in Gaza, he needs key Arab states—the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, and maybe Morocco—to work with the United States and other actors to create an interim administration in Gaza that would assume responsibility for day-to-day governance and security.

Why on Earth would he want an alternative to Hamas rule in Gaza. Again, Netanyahu's government routes funding to Hamas. Some of their politicians have explicitly said that they like Hamas in charge because it delegitimizes Palestine on the world stage (meaning that the Israeli civilians who die to Hamas are, presumably, an acceptable cost for that diplomatic boost they're getting in exchange).

Etc etc

Stop taking lying governments at their word in their framing of their conflicts. That kind of "golly gee we're just trying to protect Israeli civilians and create peace, but these pesky Hamas people keep getting in the way, which we totally hate" stuff is meant for the rubes and the voters. It has no business being taken seriously by supposed professionals.

[–] Mammothmothman@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Its ok we know the americans just want the forever war to continue so they can keep funneling money from the middle class to the owners of defence contractors.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 2 points 1 year ago

One of the most important things to understand in geopolitics is that every country is a schizophrenic mixture of all kinds of priorities and actions.

“The Americans” have no single specific goal or policy with Israel. Biden has his priorities: Some amount of wanting to get reelected, some amount of wanting to preserve America’s alliances and priorities on the world stage (of which human rights isn’t any kind of priority), and some amount of actual concern for human rights. He’s chiefly responsible for the US’s behavior here and so policy is most directly a balancing act between those different things. But even there, his Israel policy is also at the mercy of congress which has a variety of other priorities, fear of the voters who may have wildly “extreme” priorities on one end or the other of the scale, etc.

The defense lobby that wants as many wars in as many places as possible, supplied by the US, and for them to go on as long as possible is certainly not an unimportant factor in that equation but it’s not the only factor.

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