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[–] TheEntity@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Frankly that's something I do not understand. Why this single specific word? We have dozens of terrible offensive words. Why this specific one is considered so bad we cannot even talk about it directly, even when merely discussing it? I would think discussing it and not directing it at someone would be pretty reasonable. As with every single other word.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Is one of the other words associated with 200 years of chattel slavery?

[–] TheEntity@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Probably no, not in this specific form, that being said I don't want to compare one tragedy to another. There are lots of disgusting parts of the human history, and that's certainly one of them.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The only equivalent I can think of starts with k and is a slur for Jewish people, and it's much less commonly heard.

Ironically enough, that word was coined by Jewish people who had been in the US for generations to describe newly-arrived Jews from Eastern Europe. Still offensive but somewhat different from the n-word.

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What about something related to the indigenous peoples of the Americas?

[–] Nutteman@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We killed them and displaced the rest so damn fast that we forgot all the major slurs for them

[–] june@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

"Savages", "Redskins”, "Squaw", and so on.

Some news headlines even refer to the second one as "the R-word":

CNN: The terrible R-word that football needed to lose

Politico: The R-Word Is Even Worse Than You Think

These are extremely harmful words with hundreds of years of genocide behind them. I imagine the only reason they aren't censored like the N-word is is because Native Americans make up a proportionally smaller population due to the effectiveness of the genocide, and because the reservation system is in contrast to racial integration as with American black people in so much as it limits interactions between them and racist whites who would overuse a dehumanizing phrase to the same extent.

[–] orphiebaby@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

And things even worse than slavery towards them. And that a lot of racists who would likely shoot black people still use that word on purpose. And that there's still a lot of those people.

[–] PlantDadManGuy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Negro is pretty gosh darn close, but I guess it's just not quite as derogatory.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

It's weird being told that a regular color in your native language could get you beat up to a pulp in another country.

[–] TheEntity@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

To my non-American ears "negro" sounds far worse actually. Probably because of how rare it is in comparison.

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To my Hispanic ears, "n---o" sounds like an Anglophone saying "black". Even when used derogatorily, my immediate first thought is that they pronounced it incorrectly, then the rest of the associated matters kick in and I realize what they are really saying.

Imagine if in the Hispanosphere , the word "black" was almost synonymous with the n-word.

But yeah, don't use n---o in English to refer to or describe anyone.

[–] lemonmelon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Call up the UNCF and let them know immediately!

(Yes, I know they mostly brand themselves as the United Fund now.)

[–] PlantDadManGuy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I agree with you. But after studying Spanish I understand the origin of the word, so I'm somewhere in the middle on it.

[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Non-American here. I also didn't get this, thinking it's just puritanical bullshit. Some Americans seem obsessed with auto-censorship.

Anyway, I finally understood while watching Django Unchained. It's an extremely dehumanising word, meant to separate people (who have rights) from things which do not. It's a tool to be able to do this distinction and then do unspeakable evil to specific people because they don't count as people and so it's alright.

Now remember that slavery was ended* only relatively recently, segregation was a thing during the lifetimes of many people and this mindset of black people not being even human is still prevalent...

The word is meant to be always used in hostility and it's still being used like that today. That's why you want to steer clear of it.

[–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think a lot of the conflict around the word is centered on the fact that many black people use it (obviously without the hard r) in casual reference to other people, often even people that aren’t black. It’s essentially become equivalent to “dude” or “brother”. So some people don’t see how it’s wrong to use it in that context even if you aren’t black.

I’m not saying I agree, mind you. I’m just making an observation

[–] loudwhisper 1 points 11 months ago

Django Unchained

Isn't it ironic that a movie with so many uses of that word helped you understand that word better?

To me it seems a very good reason to believe that people shouldn't be afraid of the syntax of the word, but definitely oppose the use when the semantic is the despicable one.

[–] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's an equivalent for homosexuals

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

In my opinion, the intellectually disabled too. Unfortunately, many people make all kinds of excuses why that word, which has been used to bully the disabled for decades, is an acceptable one.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

The OJ Simpson trial. No joke.