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Some people will be miserable no matter who is running

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[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 105 points 1 year ago (19 children)

We’re electing a president, not a monarch. Nobody is above criticism, and there’s a weird segment of people who act like criticism from the left exists only to help the right.

Like, I actually saw someone say we shouldn’t do it because it’s too nuanced for the average voter, and sorry but I don’t do paternalism like that. If reading criticism of how a candidate isn’t far enough left makes you vote further right, that’s a basic political literacy problem.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago (14 children)

I mean, we could focus on defeating the GOP and the day after the election results come in start using social pressure to guide our elected officials. If the criticism risks the GOP seizing even more power, it might be counterproductive to your goals even if the criticism is valid.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

Any good faith criticism of the Dem candidate should be obvious in its criticisms that R policies are inherently worse. For example, Harris’ record as DA is worth criticizing, but any bad decisions related to imprisoning people are going to be a million times worse under Trump, as Project 2025 shows.

[–] KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Any good faith criticism of the Dem candidate should be obvious in its criticisms that R policies are inherently worse.

Your argument would be great if we didn't live in the reality presented below. There are too many people sitting on the fence who legitimately cannot discern between a mediocre candidate and a career conman, criminal rapist. Where you see nuance, others see "she's no better than Trump".

Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20240721200927/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/elections/polls-president.html

I like Harris as much as I like Biden, which is not at all, but the alternative is the very real possibility of the end of America.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For my money those charts will look very different after the next debate.

There’s also not a combination of words that’s going to convince me leftists criticizing Dems are going to kill America. Even if Trump gets elected, you are missing every potential lesson if what you take away is “leftists too mean.”

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah discouraging voters has never led anywhere bad before.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Normal people don't read lefty struggle sessions on the internet. 🙄

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a good thing they only let "normal" people vote.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Normal people decide elections.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have no idea what you mean by "normal" but many many mentally unhealthy people vote. If they didn't, trump wouldn't have ever been a thing

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

The average person i.e. people who mostly don't read online discussions about politics and get their opinions from legacy media and the other normal people in their own lives. Deranged politics freaks like us do not influence elections even slightly.

[–] whoreticulture@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Being honest isn't discouraging, it's not being infantilizing.

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