this post was submitted on 19 Jul 2024
18 points (90.9% liked)

Formula 1

10352 readers
46 users here now

Welcome to Formula1 @ lemmy.world Lemmy's largest community for Formula 1 and related racing series


๐Ÿ“† F1 Calendar
๐Ÿ FIA Documents
๐Ÿ“Š F1 Pace


2025 Calendar

Location Date
๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฑ Netherlands 29-31 Aug
๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡น Italy 05-07 Sep
๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡ฟ Azerbaijan 19-21 Sep
๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฌ Singapore 03-05 Oct
๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ United States 17-19 Oct
๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡ฝ Mexico 24-26 Oct
๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿ‡ท Brazil 07-09 Nov
๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ United States 20-22 Nov
๐Ÿ‡ถ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Qatar 28-30 Nov
๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡ช Abu Dhabi 05-07 Dec

Rules


  1. Be respectful to everyone: drivers, lemmings etc
  2. No gambling, crypto or NFTs
  3. Spoilers are allowed
  4. Non English articles should include a translation in the comments by deepl.com or similar
  5. Paywalled articles should include at least a brief summary in the comments, the wording of the article should not be altered
  6. Social media posts should be posted as screenshots with a link for those who want to view it
  7. Memes are allowed on Monday only as we all do like a laugh or 2, but donโ€™t want to become formuladank.
  8. No duplicate posts, or posts of different news companies that say the same thing.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Yuki Tsunoda has asserted that it would be a โ€œweirdโ€ situation should Red Bull choose to promote reserve driver Liam Lawson to the parent Formula 1 team over him.

Red Bull appeared to have finalised its driver line-up heading into the coming seasons as it announced last month that Sergio Perez has penned a multi-term renewal.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[โ€“] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 8 points 1 year ago (13 children)

He is, but that doesn't make it the wrong thing to do either.

Strictly IMO based on nothing- I'm not convinced Red Bull or anyone else thinks Yuki has a ceiling much higher than where he's currently at. Red Bull is unfortunately cursed with comparing everyone to Max so they are perpetually hunting for someone as good or better than he is, and Yuki hasn't had those breakout moments to sway their leadership.

The series has seen countless drivers in the same situation with various teams through the years. It's a very cutthroat, money influenced, flavor-of-the-week culture that not a lot of people get the chance to thrive in.

[โ€“] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm not convinced Red Bull or anyone else thinks Yuki has a ceiling much higher than where he's currently at.

Which according to me is perfect for them. They want somebody solid, consistent and fast but not enough to threaten Verstappen. Yuki fits this bill. If they actually wanted somebody who would beat Verstappen in a straight fight occassionally they would have jumped at opportunity to bring in sainz. What they want is a driver what bottas was to merc and I believe yuki could be that

Red Bull is unfortunately cursed with comparing everyone to Max so they are perpetually hunting for someone as good or better than he is

There is nobody fitting this bill in the RB stables (or outside for that matter). Neither did perez fit this bill so then hiring him seems an odd decision. Lawson and hadjar dont fit these requirements either and since they are rookies throwing them into Verstappen infested waters seems more like a plan to destroy their career than advance it.

[โ€“] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They want somebody solid, consistent and fast but not enough to threaten Verstappen.

People say this all the time completely ignoring the fact that Red Bull was courting Lando when they thought they had a chance to sign him alongside Max.

Any team that is consciously and actively dumbing down their lineup is making a mistake, imo.

[โ€“] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

People say this all the time completely ignoring the fact that Red Bull was courting Lando when they thought they had a chance to sign him alongside Max.

Yeah I am aware of this. I think the reason Lando is exempt from this 'should not fight Verstappen requirement' because of 3 factors :-

  • He and Max are buddies so I think red Bull thinks that they will be able to manage both them without there being much toxicity(though the same was true for Lewis and Nico and look how that turned out when they started fighting for titles)
  • Lando is bloody quick, very close to the level that Verstappen, Lewis and Fernando(at least before this season) operate at so the upside provided by his speed is greater than the downside of potential toxicity and intra team sabotage
  • Lando is younger than Verstappen and unlike max has never expressed any desire to move to other racing competitions so I think they see having Lando in the team as insurance for the long term incase max actually leaves.

The above points are why I believe that Lando gets a pass so to say. If they actually wanted to put the best available driver in perez's seat, they would be putting sainz in there but they don't want that as sainz doesn't bring the benefits that Lando brings. They either want a driver who is the best fit for the team or someone who is quick enough that they are willing to work around the negatives of such a line-up.

Edit : just want to say how good I feel to have discussions like these here on lemmy. The community here is pretty small as compared to reddit so I was missing these long but respectful discussions like these. Cheers @FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz

The above points are why I believe that Lando gets a pass so to say.

I would argue he's the only one who's been a legitimate talent comparison to Max that Red Bull had even a sniff of a chance to sign. George is a great talent but his fate has been in Mercedes hands for years, who were quick to shove him next to Lewis knowing full well there would be conflicts when neither wanted to be number two.

The talent coming up from the feeder series has been locked down too besides Oscar (lol) but by and large has been lukewarm as well until recently.

I see/understand your points, but I'm not convinced that's what is actually happening. There's so many variables though who's to say what the truth is until everyone retires and tells the stories.

load more comments (9 replies)