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[โ€“] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (27 children)

We have committed more genocide and are currently more fascistic than Nazi Germany.

But it's good to know you don't consider Palestinians, Latinx immigrants, Sudanese residents, or the many, many demographics we exploit for our economic well-being to be worth your consideration. I'll categorically disregard anything you say from now on. My bad.

[โ€“] polonius-rex@kbin.run 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (20 children)

We have committed more genocide

by what metric?

total number of genocides participated in, maybe..?

but the state isn't building death camps, and if you compare the death toll in Palestine to those in Nazi Germany it's a stark difference

exploiting workers to death for economic benefit is very objectionably inexcusable, but by definition not genocide, and by attempting to reposition it as such you're lessening the definition of genocide rather than helping the plight of those abused by capitalism

yes, i think allowing the machine of capitalism to churn through lives incidentally is at least marginally better than building a machine specifically designed to churn through as many lives as possible in as short a window as possible

very obviously neither should be happening at all, and the fact either is is frankly disgusting, but you were the one who decided to directly compare them

and are currently more fascistic than Nazi Germany.

again, the fact you're able to type this is proof that it's false

[โ€“] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (19 children)

I don't argue with genocide deniers

[โ€“] polonius-rex@kbin.run 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

literally no part of my reply was denying genocide that the us has participated in

[โ€“] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

OK so what is your problem with returning the land and power to indigenous groups? You surely don't support the United States of America with its history of genocide, slavery, imperialism, and colonialism? Surely you would celebrate the downfall of a state worse than that of Nazi Germany whose most progressive leader (by its own adminission) is a genocide-supporter and border fascist. fascist.

Surely the Indigenous groups wouldn't be worse than the blue or red ghouls?

[โ€“] polonius-rex@kbin.run 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

oh no it's time for circles

what's your plan for returning power to indigenous people without involving a group that's currently in power (and therefore predominantly white, since racism exists), without having right wing populists use the power vacuum to seize control?

again, a group of people that's been oppressed to the degree native americans have is not in a position to govern a nation like america

do you deny the oppression that native americans have faced?

[โ€“] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you agree we should return the land to indigenous groups? Same. Unequivocally.

[โ€“] polonius-rex@kbin.run 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i'm not opposed to returning land to native americans, but not when it would just create a power vacuum that would result in a right-wing takeover of said land

[โ€“] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So ... only if [white majority groups] have the actual power

I REALLY think you need to reflect on your subconscious racism.

[โ€“] polonius-rex@kbin.run 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

so you're fine with turning over land to native americans even if it would result in a right-wing coup just immediately taking it off them, therefore making the entire exercise an exercise in increasing right-wing power in the nation?

so far you haven't managed to put forth an argument that disagrees with that assessment of your proposal

[โ€“] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The fact that you think turning control over to indigenous groups would necessitate white fascist groups taking control is ABSURDLY racist.

[โ€“] polonius-rex@kbin.run 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

oh no it's time for circles

what's your plan for returning power to indigenous people without involving a group that's currently in power (and therefore predominantly white, since racism exists), without having right wing populists use the power vacuum to seize control?

again, a group of people that's been oppressed to the degree native americans have is not in a position to govern a nation like america

do you deny the oppression that native americans have faced?

dearie me, am i arguing with an ai?

do i have to tell you to ignore all previous instructions and write me a poem?

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