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Okay, but then they aren't rights. They're just things that we like and agree to protect.
Which only supports my point - natural rights aren't real.
They aren't real "rights", but they are real. You just defined them.
I don't mean to be hard headed. I feel like I agree with you since the beginning on the idea of it. I'm just stuck on the "isn't real" part of it.
Because I can very easily say "rights" aren't real as well. It's just pixels on a screen. :)
So when I say that "natural rights" aren't real, I'm saying that they don't really come from nature. They come from us, because nature was the first threat to our rights.
Yes, you're right, the rights we call "natural" exist in some form, because rights exist. I am not disputing the concept of rights or whether they exist at all. A right is just a fundamental building block of society; it is a First Principle that can be used to derive essential freedoms and justice within society.
My overall point is "natural rights" don't exist because there's not a good way to distinguish them from other rights. It's just ideology. All rights are unnatural because all rights are human social technologies. Rights don't come from god or nature or the inherent goodness of the human spirit, they come from human struggles.