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One of his better nuggets for this crowd is his suggestion that they "take the guns away first and do [sic] process later".
I'm sure you're an excellent spokesperson for ideas you think are similar to maga bullshit.
ideas that are objectively similar to maga bullshit.
When your knowledge of them is bullshit, sure.
You are cute. How far into the shit-filled rabbithole do I have to go into libertarianism before I find your specific flavour of bullshit? Somewhere between rand paul and ayn rand? Or do we go deeper?
Libertarians man. What a fucking joke.
I'm ethically closer to a leftist, but your choices highlight your ignorance but I guess that makes it easier to be smarmy.
A leftist who can't see how the tea party emboldened and created the proto-maga movement just in time for Trump to take it over.
I will once again call bullshit.
A leftist who watched the tea party get taken over by republicans. It was an unmitigated disaster, and the libertarians that allowed that shit are mostly gone.
It is an amusing conundrum, though. Any popular libertarian movement is destined to be co-opted by larger groups if it's not closely guarded, and libertarians suck at being exclusive to ideas.
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Who would've thought that "rugged individualism" doesn't scale well, and that collectivism of any sort in politics (a fucking popularity contest with real world stakes) will obviously trounce individualism politically? /s
"If not closely guarded"? What does that even look like? A tiny political party destined to get 0.25% of the vote? Politics is a numbers game, it's not your favorite indie band, or a recipe handed down from your grandma.
If you keep repeating standard anti-libertarian talking points instead of actually attempting to understand then, well, I had enough of that on reddit. There's a difference between political individualism and peeps living in shacks and shitting with bears. After the state convention in 2020 some of the local peeps went downtown to hand out stuff to homeless peeps with Spike Cohen and his wife (who wandered around finding homeless peeps to drag them to the tent to get stuff).
I was referring to closely guarding shit online mostly. In real life it's just kind of absurd. When I saw pro-life shit at a tea party rally I almost vomited. Not much to be done about it. Back in the day we just helped out causes we cared about. Shared our state fair booth with NORML sort of things.
We have a system that's built to crush third parties. Libertarians and greens have to sue states every election for ballot access and their 4-5%.
Regardless, it's a mistake to write off motivated people that will back you up on individual policies. I may disagree with them on a lot of things now, but when we're doing activist shit it's fantastic.
Ah yes, online, where you can keep everything closely guarded...
What are you even talking about? Keeping something "closely guarded" online is perhaps more absurd than trying to do so in real life, where at least the people had to show up physically.
Oh, yeah, bad wording. Heavily moderated is what I should have said. Libertarians don't have much to keep quiet about.
Steelmanning is hard. I have gotten better at it, but it's kinda through empathy rather than analysis.
Abortion rhetoric is a shitshow of fallacies. Almost nobody is willing to slow down. And, yeah, the best part is that while failing to understand the other side's motivations they'll accuse the other side of lacking empathy.
I can handle the "trump funny" people, but anyone that genuinely likes Trump drive me batty. I don't think Trump has any ideals to hold onto to begin with, so it's all cult of personality shit.
With some exceptions, a lot of the anti-tax racist rednecks have been sidelined - the dinosaurs are dying. I went to the 2020 LP state convention because I was asked to, and I was really happy seeing the dudes that made me leave 16 years ago sitting at a table alone.
No, nothing has changed. And that was a good professor. I'm kind of in the place where we've picked metrics to decide when it's fine to let a life go so why can't we look at the other side and aim for a non-magical start.
The LP has pretty good social ideas. First electoral vote for a woman. First to include sex workers in the party platform. The NAP is interesting because both the left and right are down, we just define aggression differently.
With sane liability laws and a financial system that isn't built for large corps, a free market could work. Where business has responsibility for its actions and is rated based on customer liability vs assets. Libertarians don't want no regulation, they just prefer private regulation. Ancaps are kind of the same. So long as we keep trying to patch up our bullshit system instead of addressing root causes, we'll continue getting fucked.
I'm still kind of a libertarian. My anti-corp and non-propertarian leanings make me somewhat left politically, but I have strong ethics about helping each other and those that can't really help themselves. I just don't like using violence to make people do what I want.
That party itself in USA is definitely bullshit though
I mean, the local people put up a huge fight in our state fight to change the constitution to allow banning abortion. Printed stickers, organized marches, protected speakers and organizers.
Have you looked at who won the presidential nomination this time? Kinda neat.
It's a shitshow, and not at all monolithic. I've drifted toward left anarchy in the last couple decades, but they're not nearly as bad as progressives want to paint them.