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[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Is there a case in history where society was heavily influenced by what was later considered a religion, but wasn't at the time and didn't claim to be?

[–] Grandpa_garbagio@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Would religious cultures even consider themselves "religious" since it was the de facto ideology of their society?

You'd have heretics from other cultures, but I don't know if religion would even be a definable thing unless separated from the structure of your society.

I am speculating here and thinking about the concept, I do not know either.

[–] Darth_Reagan@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

religion is essentially ideology and ritual

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Technically, it's one specific part of ideology... it has many departments and niches to subconsciously brainworm itself into...

Not all religion is ideology and not all ideology is religion, as far as I'm concerned... religion is ideology adapted to the slave-owning and medieval ages, through a theological lens... for feudalism and slavery...

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would religious cultures even consider themselves "religious" since it was the de facto ideology of their society?

Going by the catholic church example they seemed to, like most religions, arrive at a point of "We say this is how it is because you gotta have faith" or similar which to me would be the distinguishing feature to this, where it's "actually it's all scientific" (ceterus paribus, i.e. we making shit up

[–] Grandpa_garbagio@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

I guess it's fair to say that the separating line between an ideology and a religion is the ability for it to manifest in the real world, though the lines seem blurry on a close-up scale lol

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