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I trust Trump about as far as I can throw him, and at the end of the day it's really the Pentagon calling the shots here not the POTUS.

But dudes clearly speaking to a public sentiment here.

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[–] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Trump is the nominal antiwar position

Trump isn't anti-war, or at least I don't trust him to be actually anti-war. He's anti-this-war, but his administration did plenty of hawkish shit towards Iran and Venezuela. I'm not even confident he'll actually do anything to deescalate in Ukraine, I think it's all bluster.

[–] Droplet@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

After Soleimani was killed and a war was nearly started with Iran in January 2020, there was still an “oh shit” moment from the Trump government and they quickly walked back and prevented a war from being escalated.

At the very least, you can still argue that Trump was duped by his advisors into thinking that assassinating a “rogue general” can solve the Iran problem.

You cannot look at Ukraine and say that the Biden administration has ever come close to a moment of wanting to “walk back”. For 2.5 years, knowing that 500k people have been killed, they still want to fight it to the last Ukrainian. At every turn there is only escalation - sending more and more weapons to Ukraine, long-range missiles to kill civilians within Russian borders, taking out their anti-ballistic missile warning system, threatening about a nuclear war with Russia. These people are insane.

Not that Trump can change anything at this point. It is far too late. Even if he is president, he cannot stop the war that is already in motion, because too much financial interests from the bourgeoisie are now tied to the Ukraine war at this point.

[–] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

At the very least, you can still argue that Trump was duped by his advisors into thinking that assassinating a “rogue general” can solve the Iran problem.

Thing is, if that's the case he can probably be duped again.

After Soleimani was killed and a war was nearly started with Iran in January 2020, there was still an “oh shit” moment from the Trump government and they quickly walked back and prevented a war from being escalated.

Is that because he's genuinely anti-war or cuz some Brass at the Pentagon thought it wasn't an opportune time to start shit with Iran and told him to cool it?

Really at the end of the day I don't think it matters, the PSL could win this Presidential race and it wouldn't change a thing foreign policy wise (and probably not much domestically either), those aren't decisions any elected leader has any meaningful sway over.

[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Is that because he's genuinely anti-war or cuz some Brass at the Pentagon thought it wasn't an opportune time to start shit with Iran and told him to cool it?

16 or so ballisic missiles pounded the Al Assad Airforcebase and did "Only Braindamage + some later death" to some 100 soldiers.. while the USA had Nothing to respond ,even just verbally to respond with some stupid" Though talk" at this moment would have forced Iran to preempty flatten all the Other bases they have there (they nervously shoot down a hole airliner, so they where extremly on edge) ... So Imagine there was a collective experiance of "Oh Fuck oh Fuck+ we are Powerless" in the Command center or whatever.. Thats some experiance that produces wisedom ...

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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