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Oh geeze this is all pretty fresh stuff too. Shame, Davel always seemed cool. Pedo crew gotta go though
yeah... I had no opinion of him before this since I browse Local 99.5% of the time, but like you'd think after this long of us being federated he'd be familiar enough with our userbase to know A) that our heart is generally in the right place and B) that doubling down, yelling at us, and civility politics weren't going to calm people down when he was seen as defending (for no good reason) a guy that had a long history of being shitty to begin with, and now was doing pedophile apologia.
Going "Um actually, I defended him before the pedophile apologia" rings pretty hollow when he was still being super misogynist before that... Like you gotta at least lead with "this is beyond the pale and he needed to be banned", if you conspicuously don't condemn his statements and then go on to try and nitpick everything people are saying because you took it as a personal slight against you, people are going to think you actually might agree with the pedo apologist.
Like genuinely, if he didn't get so defensive, and explained how lemmy.ml's moderation policies differ from hexbear's, and that this user had been given perhaps one or two too many chances because they wanted to give him an opportunity to become a positive part of the community, which often sorely lacks the perspective of global south comrades, I personally would have been satisfied with that (though glad that I stick to hexbear)
we got a ton of rad global south and poc friends here that mls definitely missing out on by letting a piece of shit like that stay around for so long
yeah that's fair, I was being pretty generous to their excuse. I think their approach is misguided for that reason. We have managed to attract some of those people (global south and poc comrades) just by being principled and having a vibrant community, but lemmy.ml it feels like languished without a strong community before the reddit migration and was well, inundated with redditors after the migration. So they may have felt more desperate not to scare off global south comrades (if this is the case though, it clearly led them to making the wrong decision, repeatedly, and putting up with such shitlords probably scares away people you would actually want to have around way more than it could ever really convince the shitlords to change their views)
Its an unenviable spot to be in though for dess/nutomic, trying to run a general use instance, as leftists, without getting defedded by all the libs but also without utterly compromising your principles. Not having a cohesive base community hurts them a lot IMO