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[–] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 93 points 1 year ago (79 children)

This Biden protection is crazy. we need a candidate who actually stands a chance against Trump. this is insane. It's 2016 all over again.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (14 children)

I don't even see why that matters. Even if the candidate was an actual real turnip, the choice would be obvious.

I mean I don't vote in your election but it seems quite clear to me.

[–] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I think part of our different view might be based on how our electoral system is.

So to explain: Trump's never won a popular election before. Even when he became president, most Americans voted for his opposition Hillary Clinton. We have a very gerrymandered and corrupt voting system to oversimplify. Because of that The main decider for presidential elections is voting turnout. If a lot of people come out to vote, the Democrats usually win. If they don't the Republicans win. Voter turnout is higher when people want to vote for the Democratic nominee. No one really wants to vote for Biden. Most of us will vote against Trump myself included. That being said, if we run a very unlikable candidate against him like we did in 2016, he might win and that's terrifying. This election is serious so we should take it seriously and run somebody likeable and not half way to being a turnip.

God forbid if Biden stays in there, I hope he wins. I'll even vote for him but I am not feeling good about his odds.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Yeah, this is where I'm at. I'm not an American, but I will feel the impact of your country's decisions very quickly. I think the best option is to beg the non-voters to get out and vote however you can while building a new party, or rebuilding an existing one, from the local level on up until you have a realistic chance of putting a leader worth having in place.

For what it's worth, I think the Biden administration hasn't done terribly. They could have done much better with the latest episode of the Israel-Gaza conflict, but we literally had Congress people advocating for a nuclear response. A lot of improvements in other areas were quietly made in the background that wasn't really talked about. I can't say if that's because Biden picked the right people to get things done, he had the right vision, or he just had good handlers. I'm not sure I care because, whatever the answer is, the opponent certainly doesn't have any of those.

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