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"It's a real shame that Reddit seems to care this little about the community that rather than making an effort to talk to developers and moderators and apologize for how this was handled, they'd rather just wall themselves off and and dare users to keep going."

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When a platform’s user base is in revolt, it generally has two choices. The company can make concessions to users, walking back an unpopular change or offering some other consolation. Or it can keep calm and carry on, betting that the furor will subside after a few news cycles and allow the company to return to business as usual.

On Monday, I wrote about the revolt at Reddit, where plans to begin charging developers to use the company’s formerly free API is expected to crush the most popular third-party clients — and might also put moderation tools, accessibility-focused apps, and other enhancements to the network at risk. In response, moderators have made thousands of the site’s most popular forums private, essentially taking them offline. They have called on Reddit’s leaders to reverse the changes and ensure that third-party development of the network’s ecosystem can continue.

Today we got our most solid indication to date of how Reddit plans to handle this revolt — and CEO Steve Huffman is making it clear that the company does not intend to offer any concessions. He said as much in a memo to employees that leaked to Mia Sato and Jay Peters at The Verge.

Huffman told employees:

There’s a lot of noise with this one. Among the noisiest we’ve seen. Please know that our teams are on it, and like all blowups on Reddit, this one will pass as well. The most important things we can do right now are stay focused, adapt to challenges, and keep moving forward. We absolutely must ship what we said we would. The only long term solution is improving our product, and in the short term we have a few upcoming critical mod tool launches we need to nail.

Huffman is right that, in the end, the whole situation reflects a product problem: the native Reddit apps, both on desktop and on mobile, are ugly and difficult to use. (In particular, I find the nested comments under each post bizarrely difficult to expand or collapse; the tap targets for your fingers are microscopic.) Reddit didn’t really navigate the transition to mobile devices so much as it endured it; it’s little wonder that millions of the service’s power users have sought refuge in third-party apps with more modern designs.

On the whole, though, Huffman’s bet against the sustained energy of the Reddit community appears to have misfired.

Over the past day, the number of Reddits that have gone dark expanded from around 7,000 to more than 8,400. And in response to Huffman’s dismissive memo, moderators of hundreds of communities now say they will extend the blackout indefinitely beyond its planned two days.

Here’s Peters again at The Verge:

“Reddit has budged microscopically,” u/SpicyThunder335, a moderator for r/ModCoord, wrote in the post. They say that despite an announcement that access to a popular data-archiving tool for moderators would be restored, “our core concerns still aren’t satisfied, and these concessions came prior to the blackout start date; Reddit has been silent since it began.” SpicyThunder335 also bolded a line from a Monday memo from CEO Steve Huffman obtained by The Verge — “like all blowups on Reddit, this one will pass as well” — and said that “more is needed for Reddit to act.”

Ahead of the Tuesday post, more than 300 subreddits had committed to staying dark indefinitely, SpicyThunder335 said. The list included some hugely popular subreddits, like r/aww (more than 34 million subscribers), r/music (more than 32 million subscribers), and r/videos (more than 26 million subscribers). Even r/nba committed to an indefinite timeframe at arguably the most important time of the NBA season. But SpicyThunder335 invited moderators to share pledges to keep the protests going, and the commitments are rolling in.

Thousands of subreddits likely will come back online within the next day, if only out of a sense of obligation to their own communities. But the indefinite loss of forums with tens of millions of subscribers seems likely to sting. (Certainly it’s stinging the quality of Google search results.)

If Reddit hopes to de-escalate the situation, it seems to me that it has two clear options. One is that it could reduce the announced pricing for its API to ensure third-party developers can continue their work. But this seems unlikely: Reddit’s clear objective here is to wind down third-party app development and push users to its own native app, which it has promised to improve.

That leads to the second option, which is to simply slow down. One of the most upsetting things about the API changes, from developers’ perspective, is that many of their users bought annual subscriptions, and Reddit’s new pricing takes effect at the end of this month. That leaves them little time to make things right with their customers.

One criticism I heard of my piece yesterday is that Reddit had given developers more than 30 days’ notice, contrary to what some developers have complained about. But when Reddit first announced that it would charge for API access, it did not specify prices or what kinds of apps would be affected. The communication failure led to widespread confusion about how tools related to content moderation, accessibility, and independent research would be affected, and Reddit has been trying to dig its way out of that hole ever since.

That leaves room for Reddit to grant developers another six months to a year before the API changes take effect. By delaying the move, developers would get the time they need to either figure out sustainable business models or shut down without stiffing their customers on months of expected service. Reddit, in turn, could use that same time to build the improvements to moderation tools and the core app that it insists are coming soon.

Assuming not even that happens, though, there are other options.

One possibility is that, in the grand tradition of forum drama throughout internet history, big subreddits will simply decamp for other hosting solutions. If that seems like a pipe dream — and I apologize for the unfortunate example — look at the story of TheDonald. The violent, racist subreddit was banned in 2020 for violating Reddit’s content policies. But its membership quickly rebuilt elsewhere, at a site I will not link to, using an interface quite similar to Reddit’s.

Of course, it would have been better for the internet if TheDonald had simply disbanded. But the fact that it continued once being booted off Reddit illustrates how little Reddit itself brought to the community — and how easily other, more reputable subreddits might build new homes elsewhere, so long as their users have the will.

On Monday, I mentioned that my favorite subreddit had gone dark; a commenter let me know that some members had already set up shop on Kbin, a decentralized Reddit alternative that is interoperable with Mastodon and other services on the ActivityPub standard. While the interface is rough even by the standards of Reddit, it works just fine. And if the Fediverse continues to develop at its current pace, it might soon work much better than that.

Then again, of course, Huffman may be right. Statistically, the furor over Reddit’s API changes will pass, and power users will resign themselves to the imperfect convenience of having all their favorite niche communities in a single place.

But for now, at least, anger seems to be building. And given the rapid fragmentation of online social networking, what happens next seems increasingly hard to predict. It’s true that most social media controversies eventually blow over. Other times, though, they blow up.

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Hello. This is my first contact with Lemmy, and I'm happy to see that it's growing faster and faster. However there's one thing that's blocking me for now from completely abandoning Reddit after API changes.

There are thousands of various bigger and smaller communities on Reddit. Many of them are participating in the blackout, and more and more are deciding to stay blacked out indefinitely after recent CEO's memo leak. I was using Reddit for almost 7 years, and before the drama started it was one of my most viewed websites.

For 99,9% of the time spent on Reddit I was lurking and browsing small or small-to-medium sized subreddits - some of them for very specific content, some for various tech or non-tech related communities (like AI or emulation). While a good number of these subreddits already have alternatives on Fediverse, for now most of them are not very active, some of them even empty, and some content related to these communities is buried in larger, more general communities. Another number of subreddits whose doesn't have alternatives on Lemmy/Kbin have alternative communities on Discord, but on Discord it's somewhat hard to read live discussions, search options are limited, and some servers tend to be toxic - it's a messaging platform after all, not discussion and content website.

Don't get me wrong - as a 3rd party app user myself (Sync FTW) I completely despise planned Reddit API changes and support the blackout, but sometimes I fear that if many users from smaller Reddit communities decide to leave altogether, and if some of them which chose to participate in the blackout indefinitely will not return, then these communities which I watch will just disappear with no easy way to browse and search past content and discussion from them. That being said, Lemmy and Kbin are promising alternatives that shed light for the future, but I'm concerned that some smaller communities will never blow up on there, and will ultimately move to messaging platforms or stay a thing from the past.

There is one good thing though - seeing all those post about planned changes are finally convinced me to get more active on discussions I read, and I hope that Lemmy will appeal to me in this regard.

TL;DR: I fully support Reddit blackout and migration to Lemmy, but I fear that it may spell an end to some smaller and specific communities.

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How will this end? He will hold on to fight fire as long as he can because as expected, he believes most of this will end Wednesday.

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“There’s a lot of noise with this one. Among the noisiest we’ve seen. Please know that our teams are on it, and like all blowups on Reddit, this one will pass as well,” he reportedly wrote. “We absolutely must ship what we said we would. The only long term solution is improving our product, and in the short term we have a few upcoming critical mod tool launches we need to nail.” [...] Meanwhile, Huffman warned staff about wearing Reddit-branded apparel in public for the time being. "Some folks are really upset, and we don’t want you to be the object of their frustrations," he wrote.

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We are all here and sort of excited for trying a new platform now that Reddit have turned from bad to worse. Still, I have a good deal of dejavu from the 2015 AMAgeddon. Back then plenty of subreddits also locked down in response to Victoria getting fired as manager for the AMAs. Back then myself and many other redditors swore we were done with the site and tried to goto other sites. I think Empeopled was the main choice back then and it was fun there for a little while. And then everyone came back and Reddit only grew with millions of users until today.

Is this time going be different? Is the blackout bigger and more widespread this time? I am thinking the big difference is that this is has more direct consequences with many (and very active) users losing their apps and tools, but I am not sure it will really matter much in the end. I am hoping Lemmy will get momentum, but I also see myself and many others saying the same things about Reddit as in 2015.

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I think it's time for me to come clean about this. I kinda became addicted to Reddit, but most importantly, reddit stories. It became part of my routine to listen to podcasts that read reddit stories. NGL it's really enjoyable, but there is always some people that debates if the stories are true.

Then I tried it once. I created a throwaway account and posted a made up story. It gained a lot of traction and nobody even commented about it being fake.

It was supposed to be a one time thing, but then another idea for a story pops up in my head, I create another throwaway with a temp mail and write that another story.

Overtime it became a habit. I've posted tens of fake stories, maybe over a hundred. With updates even. I also learned to develop different styles of writing and formatting so people wouldn't notice they were written by the same person, me.

Some of my stories got into the podcasts I listen to daily. Its always exciting to hear my own stories being read by someone else.

But I realize that this is not healthy anymore. I could develop so many of these stories into short stories or novels. I've learned a lot and improved my writing, these are compelling, engaging, even gut-wrenching stories that I think people would like to read if they were books.

It's time for me to stop this and start writing fiction for real.

Another reason why I should quit it, it's because I fucking hate the mods, some of my best stories has been deleted for bullshit reasons, or I just can't find the right sub to post them. But I gotta say, engaging with people in real time is part of the fun of it.

I don't want you to think everything on reddit is fake, and I don't care if some posts are fake or not, I have so many fucked up real stories in my family that no reddit story ever even came close to be as fucked up as real life and would be tossed aside as fake instantly. Reality is weirder than fiction.

Thanks for reading my confession. I'll go out, touch grass, and start writing fiction.

BTW, I only post fake shit on Throwaway accounts, I've never done that on my real main account, and I never lie IRL. Maybe that's why it felt so exciting early on.

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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by JonnyRobbie@lemmy.ml to c/reddit@lemmy.ml
 
 

Just for the heck of it, I checked my acc there and I cannot see any comments newer then 2 months. Have they been siletnly deleting any offending comments?

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Who is going back after today?

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Suicidal Snoo (stockage.framapiaf.org)
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It can go one of a few ways.

  1. Apart from the few subs that remain offline, it'll basically be back to normal. Those that do remain offline indefinitely just get forcibly reopened or recreated by admins, especially huge subreddits like /r/videos. Smaller ones just get redicted to /r/topicnew or some other creative name.

  2. A lot of subreddits and more importantly moderators and users leave the site permanently. In order for this to happen however, there'd have to be a consensus alternative, which there isn't ATM. Otherwise, these communities are pretty much lost forever unless the mods put a message to go to X alternative service in the "subreddit is private" banner. Tbh, I don't think people are gonna stomach losing years of their lives in an instant so they'll just re create subreddits unless the mods provide an alternative.

No matter what though, they're not backing down on the effective removal of the API (still leaving the sneaky clause "you can pay us if you want but it'll be a king's ransom" for AI, even though they can just trawl the web manually lol). They'll probably announce some crappy customization features to hoodwink those who don't know what an API is and lie to them and say it's "API v2" or whatever.

I just honestly don't know how it's going to shake out and I'm scared im going to lose these communities. I don't give a single solitary fuck about Reddit the company anymore, and I never did really. I just hope all of the subreddits find a new home and don't just shrug their shoulders and say "welp, guess that's it guys".

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This is now the SECOND time reddit has given me a 7 day ban for report abuse, and it's the second time the ban was total bullshit.

Both came for reporting content in r/Ukraine which had hit the front page. The first ban was for reporting a comment which used the word "orc" to describe Russian people multiple times and was, at least in my opinion, doing so in a clearly racially charged way. I actually got banned from the subreddit for commenting in that thread- someone was asking what orc meant and I said "it's a dehumanizing term being used right now for Russian people." Then I got the full-site ban. The admins lifted the ban when I appealed it. That comment has since been deleted.

This latest time was for reporting the literal beheading video that hit the front page. It was explicitly against reddit TOS.

I regularly report content in other subreddits that is openly racist or ridiculously, over the top gorey. Never once have I gotten hit was a "report abuse" ban. Why the fuck is there even a "report abuse" ban in the first place? How does it work? It seems to me like the mods of a subreddit can claim that a post or comment is having reports abused on it and the admins will just blanket ban everyone who reported it. Or is that just true for this particular subreddit?

I already wasn't using Reddit because of the blackout, now they may have just made me never want to return even if they do cave on third party apps. This is just ridiculous.

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https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite

You can backup and delete or modify all your old reddit content. 1,500,000+ karma and 11 years of my content is being deleted right now. Reddit's gold is user content: If you've left reddit, don't leave them your content.

While it's true that yes, deleting content isn't going to delete it from their servers and they'll still be able to utilize it, be aware that when they get caught doing so the EU and GDPR will fine them billions. Let's set them up for a good one.

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There's a lot of good information out there that would be lost otherwise.

I don't want to give Reddit traffic anyways, so maybe it's good to only look at the archived versions going forward.

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“I’m confident that if you wanted to find a community of people that enjoyed having their 3rd toe tickled, you could probably find a community of people that enjoy having their 3rd toe tickled. I’m not kidding. Reddit is one of those places.” - Louis Rossman

Wrong. That can’t be found on Reddit. Only Lemmy has it. Lemmy rules. Greed loses.

(In response to what Louis Rossman said, I created !toe@lemmy.ml, a Lemmy community of people that enjoyed having their 3rd toe tickled)

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They are trying to fool us with lies.
r/birdswitharms gone private, but r/BirdsArentReal is still working!

I know their real, i've see them

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