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I'm thinking if they didn't use their last timeout, broncos would've had 15 seconds to get the field goal unit out.

That means they sub, so with like 7 seconds left the bills could've sent someone for their own substitution, and they should've been able to burn 7 seconds sending someone off and bringing someone back on, and the refs would have to hold the ball, and time would run out.

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Just googled the rule i'm thinking of:

"If a substitution is made by the offense, the offense shall not be permitted to snap the ball until the defense has been permitted to respond with its substitutions. While in the process of a substitution (or simulated substitution), the offense is prohibited from rushing quickly to the line of scrimmage and snapping the ball in an obvious attempt to cause a defensive foul (i.e., too many men on the field). If the offense makes a late substitution, the following occurs:

• a) The Umpire will stand over the ball until the Referee deems that the defense has had a reasonable time to complete its substitutions.
• b) If a play takes place and a defensive foul for too many players on the field results, no penalties will be enforced, except for personal fouls and unsportsmanlike conduct, and the down will be replayed. At this time, the Referee will notify the head coach that any further use of this tactic will result in a penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct.
• Note: The quick-snap rule does not apply after the two-minute warning of either half, or if there is not a substitution by the offense.
• c) On a fourth-down punting situation, the Referee and the Umpire will not allow a quick snap that prevents the defense from having a reasonable time to complete its substitutions. This applies throughout the entire game.
• d) If the play clock expires before the defense has completed its substitution, it is delay of game by the offense."

Chiefs: 7-2

Ravens: 7-3

Jaguars: 6-3

Dolphins: 6-3

Steelers: 6-3

Browns: 6-3

Texans: 5-4

Bengals: 5-4

Bills: 5-5

Colts: 5-5

Raiders: 5-4

Jets: 4-5

Broncos: 4-5

Chargers: 4-5

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Titans: 3-6

Patriots: 2-8

I've never seen a conference where nearly every team is still in the hunt for the playoffs this deep in the season

*fixed chargers record

AFC East:

New England Patriots: Gillette Jolt

New York Jets: Namath Nudge

Buffalo Bills: Buffalo Stampede

Miami Dolphins: Ocean Driver

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AFC West:

Kansas City Chiefs: Burnt End Barge

Denver Broncos: Mile High Head Butt

Los Angeles Chargers: Rodeo Drive Rush

Las Vegas Raiders: Sin City Surge

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AFC South:

Jacksonville Jaguars: Duval Dropkick

Tennessee Titans: Broadway Bash

Houston Texans: Bayou City Bullrush

Indianapolis Colts: Circle City Surge

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AFC North:

Pittsburgh Steelers: Steel City Squeeze

Baltimore Ravens: Raven Ram

Cincinatti Bengals: Big Cat Bulldozer

Cleveland Browns: Dawg Pound Dig

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NFC East:

Philadelphia Eagles: Brotherly Shove

Dallas Cowboys: Steer Spear

Washington Commanders: Quarterback Sneak

New York Giants: Daniel Jones Injured on the Play

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NFC West:

Los Angeles Rams: Hollywood Manhandle

Seattle Seahawks: Lumen Lunge

Arizona Cardinals: The Copper Keeper

San Francisco 49ers: Golden State Send

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NFC South:

Carolina Panthers: Panther Pounce

New Orleans Saints: Bourbon Street Bully

Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Davey Jones Blocker

Atlanta Falcons: Peach Punch

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NFC North:

Minnesota Vikings: Longboat Lunge

Green Bay Packers: Lombardi Lunge

Detroit Lions: Motor City Keeper

Chicago Bears: Soldier Field Strike

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Because I thought that PFF’s midseason All-Pro list wasn’t the best, I thought I’d post my own team. Few caveats to this. I’m a week late, so instead of counting all stats through week 9, I’m counting all stats through week 10. I’m not going to pretend to know what I’m talking about for offensive line, so I’ll only be posting PFF’s team. I also won’t pretend that I know how to judge long snappers and “special teamers.” Finally, PFF includes flex positions for offense and defense. I’ll list them, but I won’t add my own since the AP doesn’t have one (anymore). I’d love to hear everyone’s thoughts.

Offense:

My QBs: Jalen Hurts (1st-Team), Tua Tagovailoa (2nd-Team)

PFF QBs: Lamar Jackson (1st-Team), Josh Allen (2nd-Team)

This was one of the biggest shocks to me. Jackson is playing great, but to totally ignore Hurts and what he’s done again this year is insanity to me. Hurts is leading the best team to a number 1 seed right now and if he continues, he deserves the 1st-Team nod along with MVP. Josh Allen as the second team is also insane. The man is fun to watch because he’s a gunslinger, but live by the gunslinger, die by the gunslinger and the Bills die more often than not.

My RBs: Christian McCaffrey (1st-Team), Derrick Henry (2nd-Team)

PFF RBs: Derrick Henry (1st-Team), Raheem Mostert (2nd-Team)

I’m not too mad about PFF’s selections. I think McCaffrey should get the nod though as he’s having another insane season. Henry is also doing what he does. Mostert would make the 3rd-Team right now for me if it existed, but if Henry or McCaffrey slow down at all, he could easily leapfrog them for an All-Pro selection.

My WRs: Tyreek Hill (1st-Team), AJ Brown (1st-Team), Stephon Diggs (2nd-Team), CeeDee Lamb (2nd-Team)

PFF WRs: Tyreek Hill (1st-Team), AJ Brown (1st-Team), CeeDee Lamb (2nd-Team), Justin Jefferson (2nd-Team)

Again, not very different here, but Jefferson being selected was a bit of a head scratcher. After week 8 (when PFF published) Jefferson only had 36 catches for 571 yards and 3 TDs.

My TEs: Mark Andrews (1st-Team), TJ Hockenson (2nd-Team)

PFF TEs: Travis Kelce (1st-Team), George Kittle (2nd-Team)

Andrews to me has been far and away the best TE this year for me. Hockenson has some better stats, but he is force fed a little (95 targets when writing this), plus Andrews is a great blocker. Kittle being on PFF’s 2nd-Team isn’t an awful choice, but it felt like they went with name recognition here, especially with Kelce.

PFF Offensive Flex: Brandon Aiyuk (1st-Team), Stefon Diggs (2nd-Team)

Offensive line PFF: LT – Christian Darrisaw (1st-Team), Kolton Miller (2nd-Team), LG – Tyler Smith (1st-Team), Joe Thuney (2nd-Team), C – Jason Kelce (1st-Team), Ryan Kelly (2nd-Team), RG – Kevin Dotson (1st-Team), Chris Lindstrom (2nd-Team), RT – Penei Sewell (1st-Team), Lane Johnson (2nd-Team)

Defense:

My Defensive Interior: Quinnen Williams (1st-Team), Aaron Donald (1st-Team), Jalen Carter (2nd-Team), Chris Jones (2nd-Team)

PFF Defensive Interior: Dexter Lawrence (1st-Team), Quinnen Williams (1st-Team), Jalen Carter (2nd-Team), Aaron Donald (2nd-Team)

Again, not the craziest team selections. I just think Dexter Lawrence is more fringe.

My Edge Rushers: TJ Watt (1st-Team), Myles Garrett (2nd-Team), Maxx Crosby (2nd-Team), Danielle Hunter (2nd-Team)

PFF Edge Rushers: Nick Bosa (1st-Team), Myles Garrett (1st-Team), TJ Watt (2nd-Team), Maxx Crosby (2nd-Team)

My biggest gripe with PFF is how much they praise Bosa, but hate on Watt. In my opinion Watt is the Defensive Player of the Year, with Garrett being a close runner up. To include Bosa on either team right now is a crime. Watt is dragging that Steelers defense to dominate and win – I’m still not sure how they have a winning record.

My LBs: Fred Warner (1st-Team), Foye Oluokun (1st-Team), Roquan Smith (2nd-Team), Kyzir White (2nd-Team)

PFF LBs: Demario Davis (1st-Team), Roquan Smith (1st-Team), CJ Mosley (2nd-Team), Quincy Williams (2nd-Team)

Fred Warner not being on either PFF team is egregious. He is the best linebacker in football and one of my dark horse candidates for DPoY. Oluokun was overlooked…again. Roquan belongs on a team for sure, I just think it should be second. White is a very overlooked LB on a very bad team.

My CBs: DaRon Bland (1st-Team), Patrick Surtain II (1st-Team), Geno Stone (2nd-Team), Sauce Gardner (2nd-Team)

PFF CBs: Jaylon Johnson (1st-Team), Paulson Adebo (1st-Team), Darious Williams (2nd-Team), Sauce Gardner (2nd-Team)

CB is always a weird position. Do you like flashy INTs and return TDs, but can get burned (think Trevon Diggs)? Or do you like shutdown corners that can remove a star WR from the game (think Darrelle Revis)? My team is a mix of both. I don’t necessarily think my team is much better than PFF. Oh, why’d I’d add PS2? Because I’m a Broncos fan. See, I can admit my bias, can you PFF?

My Safeties: Talanoa Hufanga (1st-Team), Jordan Whitehead (1st-Team), Justin Simmons (2nd-Team), Geno Stone (2nd-Team)

PFF Safeties: Jessie Bates III (1st-Team), Jevon Holland (1st-Team), Antoine Winfield (2nd-Team), Geno Stone (2nd-Team)

Safeties are somewhat similar to how I explained CBs. I do think they snubbed Hufanga and Whitehead without having them on either team. Again, I’m biased and think Simmons should be on a team.

PFF Defensive Flex: Trent McDuffie (1st-Team), DJ Reed (2nd-Team)

Special Teams:

My Ks: Harrison Butker (1st-Team), Dustin Hopkins (2nd-Team)

PFF Ks: Chase McLaughlin (1st-Team), Matt Gay (2nd-Team)

Butker deserves the 1st-Team spot – he’s 100% and has a 60 yarder.

My Ps: AJ Cole (1st-Team), Logan Cooke (2nd-Team)

PFF Ps: AJ Cole (1st-Team), Matt Gay (2nd-Team)

Punters are people too.

My Returners: Marvin Mims Jr. (1st-Team), Xavier Gipson (2nd-Team)

PFF Returners: Kavontae Turpin (1st-Team), Charlie Jones (2nd-Team)

I know I’m biased, but Mims is far and away the best returner this year.

TLDR: PFF All-Pro Teams weren't the best. I posted mine. Do. you agree?

NFC

1. Eagles (8-1)

2. Lions (7-2) vs 7. Vikings (6-4)

3. 49ers (6-3) vs 6. Cowboys (6-3)

4. Saints (5-5) vs 5. Seahawks (6-3)

AFC

1. Chiefs (7-2)

2. Ravens (7-3) vs 7. Texans (5-4)

3. Jaguars (6-3) vs 6. Browns (6-3)

4. Dolphins (6-3) vs 5. Steelers (6-3)

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/player/russell-wilson-22621

Volume isn't as high as his best years but nevertheless he undoubtedly is playing MUCH better than whatever last season was this year

#Denver Broncos at Buffalo Bills

ESPN Gamecast

Highmark Stadium- Orchard Park, NY

Network(s): ABC ESPN

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Time Clock
Final

Scoreboard

	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	Total
DEN	3	12	0	9	24
BUF	0	8	7	7	22

Scoring Plays

Team	Quarter	Type	Description
DEN	1	FG	Wil Lutz Made 40 Yd Field Goal
DEN	2	TD	Courtland Sutton Pass From Russell Wilson for 7 Yds Wil Lutz Missed Ex. Pt Attmpt
BUF	2	TD	Dalton Kincaid Pass From Josh Allen for 22 Yds, TWO-POINT CONVERSION ATTEMPT. J.Allen pass to G.Davis is complete. ATTEMPT SUCCEEDS.
DEN	2	FG	Wil Lutz Made 49 Yd Field Goal
DEN	2	FG	Wil Lutz Made 40 Yd Field Goal
BUF	3	TD	Latavius Murray 3 Yd Rush, T.Bass extra point is GOOD, Center-R.Ferguson, Holder-S.Martin.
DEN	4	TD	Javonte Williams Pass From Russell Wilson for 3 Yds Riley Dixon 2Pt Rush No Good
BUF	4	TD	Josh Allen 6 Yd Rush Tyler Bass Made Ex. Pt
DEN	4	FG	Wil Lutz Made 36 Yd Field Goal

Highlights from ESPN.com (Note: These links will expire in a few days)

1. Ja'Quan McMillian rips the ball from James Cook on the Bills' first play for a Broncos turnover.
2. Russell Wilson spins out of pressure and throws a dime to Courtland Sutton, who somehow keeps his toes in for a Broncos TD.
3. Josh Allen throws his second interception of the first half, leading to a Will Lutz field goal to extend Denver's lead.
4. Josh Allen and James Cook botch the exchange on a handoff for the Bills' fourth turnover of the game.
5. Russell Wilson sells a fake handoff to free Javonte Williams up for a wide-open Broncos TD.
6. Josh Allen keeps it and reaches across the goal line to give the Bills their first lead of the game.
7. The Bills get called for pass interference that puts the Broncos in field-goal position, then Wil Lutz gets two cracks at the game-winner because Buffalo is penalized for having 12 men on the field.

Passing Leaders

Team	Player	C/ATT	YDS	TD	INT	SACKS
DEN	Russell Wilson	24/29	193	2	0	4-15
BUF	Josh Allen	15/26	177	1	2	0-0

Rushing Leaders

Team	Player	CAR	YDS	AVG	TD	LONG
DEN	Javonte Williams	21	79	3.8	0	11
BUF	James Cook	12	109	9.1	0	42

Receiving Leaders

Team	Player	REC	YDS	AVG	TD	LONG	TGTS
DEN	Courtland Sutton	8	53	6.6	1	30	11
BUF	Gabe Davis	2	56	28.0	0	38	6

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So the Broncos just ran out their FG unit and impressively hit a FG with the clock running down to half time. But I was under the impression that the rule is that when the offense substitutes, the defense is also afforded the opportunity to substitute, which would have allowed the Bills to take their sweet ass time and run the clock down to half time before the Broncos could get the kick off. So is that not the rule?

It’s so weird. He is consistently bottom 5 or 10 in almost all stats, and yet his career record is 13-7. The Steelers haven’t had particularly stunning offenses the last two years, and their defenses have been statistically middle of the pack. It’s almost crazy that he has a winning record considering these are his game stats in his wins this season.

• 15/30, 222 yards, 1 td, 1 int, 71.8 rating
• 16/28, 235 yards, 2 tds, 108.5 rating
• 18/32, 224 yards, 1 td, 88.5 rating
• 17/25, 230 yards, 97.1 rating
• 19/30, 160 yards, 1 td, 88.2 rating
• 14/23, 126 yards, 75.6 rating

that means per win, he’s averaging

• 16.5/28, 199.5 yards, 0.8 td, 0.1 int, 79.2 rating

I can’t think of a single team that would have a winning record with this quarterback play, and yet the Steelers continue to win. It’s so odd.

Just thinking out loud about the salary cap. I love salary capped leagues, makes things much more interesting. But I wonder if it would be better if the cap should be split (not necessarily 50/50) between offense and defense.

I did not know this was the #1 defense and haven't watched them enough. I feel like this is a defense a lot of people are sleeping on and don't fully appreciate.

#Denver Broncos at Buffalo Bills

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Highmark Stadium- Orchard Park, NY

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Injury Report

Team	Player	Status
BUF	Baylon Spector	Out
BUF	Micah Hyde	Out
BUF	Germain Ifedi	Out
BUF	Poona Ford	Out
BUF	Alec Anderson	Out
DEN	JL Skinner	Out
DEN	Ben Niemann	Out
DEN	Thomas Incoom	Out
DEN	Elijah Garcia	Out
DEN	Alex Forsyth	Out

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I honestly believe that other than actually winning the Super Bowl, there's no better time for an NFL fanbase than the first years of a team having a young QB that looks like they might be "the guy" of the future

I'd argue it's even better than being a perennial playoff powerhouse or a team that continually is seen as a favorite

Less stress. If you're a true contender with an experienced QB, every loss kills you. If you lose with a young QB doing something idiotic but they put up 300 yards and 3 TDs, you still leave the game optimistic. I call this the Josh Allen. I definitely feel like the Bills fanbase were happier two years ago when Allen was breaking out compared to now when he's seen as a star QB who should be leading the Bills to the Super Bowl.

Josh strikes me as Mad Dog 20/20. Maybe OG formula Four Loko

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/upshot/nfl-playoff-picture.html

The NFC now has 4 teams with a 95%+ chance of making the playoffs.

The 5th through 7th teams are also highly probably between 74-83%

The only other team with even a shot at sneaking into the playoffs with a 20%+ probability in the NFC, is TB.

There are 8 NFC teams 2+ games below .500 already

The NFC playoffs will likely feature, SF, PHI, DAL, DET, MIN, SEA and probably NO and if not NO, it will be TB... That's basically your NFC playoff field for 2023, only seeding left to decide.

Meanwhile over in the AFC the picture couldn't me more unclear beyond the Chiefs.

The Chiefs now have a 99% playoff chance and 60% chance of being the 1 seed, beyond that...

There are 10 teams between 25% and 90% fighting for the final 6 spots.... and no one else above 90%.

More crazy, there are 12 teams in the AFC within 2 games of each other with 8 weeks left. (records ranging from 6-3 to 4-5)

There are only 3 teams in the AFC 2+ games below .500

The AFC could realistically end up with 10 or more teams over .500 this year, with only 7 of them obviously able to make the playoffs.

Anyway, I just thought it was interesting how completely different the conferences are shaping up as we head toward the back stretch.

With the NFC playoff picture almost completely decided already, while over in the AFC it looks like almost every team will be in the playoff hunt headed into the final couple weeks if things keep going the same direction.

vs. Bears vs. Packers @ Saints @ Bears vs. Broncos

The race for the top two seeds in the NFC is going to be very interesting.

Dan Campbell is at the point of being a Chuck Norris meme with how many he has. These are all not only real calls but these were ALL successful calls as well: (not in any order)

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• Up 7-0 in the 1st quarter, Dan Campbell called an onside kick against the Rams.
• Dan Campbell called a fake punt on the same drive as the onside kick
• Dan Campbell called a second fake punt in the same game in the 3rd quarter
• Dan Campbell called a fake punt from his own 17 yard line, 5 minutes into the 2023 season against the defending super bowl champions.
• Dan Campbell called a run play out of shot gun on 4th and 5 in the 1st quarter vs the Chargers
• Up 7 points in the 3rd, Dan Campbell went for it from his own 27 yard line on a 4th and 8 against the Vikings
• In the same game to ice it on 3rd and 7 with about 1:30 left in the 4th, Dan Campbell calls a pass play to Penei Sewell.. the offensive tackle.
• 4th and 3 from their own 35 - Dan Campbell calls a fake punt against the Seahawks in the 1st quarter
• On 4th and 1, instead of kicking the field goal, Dan Campbell goes for it and prevents Aaron Rodgers another shot, eliminating them from reaching the playoffs.

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Not game related but also fun MCDC facts:

• Dan Campbell drinks 40 ounces of coffee and 4 shots of espresso per day.
• Dan Campbell wanted an actual live lion on the sidelines for home games but said "the league frowns on that"