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Hey so you'll need a userscript addon to use this (e.g. greasemonkey, tampermonkey). It's very rough and I've only tested on firefox but if you're a developer feel free to use this code and make improvements. Here's the mind boggling list of features:

  • Collapse comments: adds a button to collapse a comment tree, click the comment again to show the tree

  • Show images: Clicking an image on the right shows a full sized thumbnail below the post, also click and drag it to resize the image. Please note this only works on the main feed (not in the post itself), also it's not the full resolution image.

Not sure if anyone else has made something like this but if they have let them know, maybe they'll want to use the code.

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Hi, I'm a bit confused by how comment sorting works on kbin. Newest and oldest are pretty self-explanatory, but how do active and hot work? Is there a way to sort comments by top like on lemmy?

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When I go to any federated community it shows Ernest as the owner even if it's from another instance. Is this a bug?

#kbinMeta

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The current process seems to result in an error. Not sure if that's because the software isn't there yet or if there's something else going on.

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Hey kbinMeta.

Given the news that beehaw.org are defederating from two of the largest Lemmy instances due to issues with moderation, I thought it may be worth @ernest considering closing registrations here, for a while at least.
I've seen that a handful of other kbin instances have been spun up, however, kbin.social currently dwarfs their user numbers. kbin.social is currently sat at over 28,000 registered users, with the next highest, fedia.io sitting at around 3,000 users. I may be incorrect on this, but as far as I'm currently aware, @ernest is the only admin, I believe he may have mentioned that he's taken a couple of additional trusted users on board, but at this time, I can't find receipts to back that up, however, I am aware of the immense pressure that @ernest is in to keep things not only running smoothly, but also moving forward.

The workload overwhelmed me, and I couldn't read all your messages.

This is in relation to account deletion requests alone, and understandably, this explosion in popularity and userbase was not only unexpected for @ernest, but possibly also for the platform itself:

Kbin was designed with small instances in mind.

~~Apparently fedia.io have already disabled open resgistrations due to usercount~~, (although that may be unverified, as this post from the fedia.io admin doesn't suggest that, but still food for thought.). [This is not the case, they just aren't federating, as confirmed by Jerry, thanks! I think Jerry's comment is still very relevant to the topic at hand, however.]

Now, I've already seen a handful of comments denigrating beehaw.org from some of the defederated site users, as well as users local to kbin.social whose accounts were made after the defederation. This is more than likely to result in kbin.social also being defederated from beehaw.org, if not others. I completely understand that this is the nature of the fediverse, and that no one instance is going to be completely open with every other instance, however, I think it's worth considering that we "have our own house in order", namely in the shape of more site-wide moderation, instead of keeping the floodgates open for every reddit refugee or otherwise.

I'm well aware that many may disagree with this, but I think it's something to consider.

Edit: Edited title of post. I just want to clarify, I don't mean close registrations for good, just while things calm down a little bit / ernest has chance to get a solid moderation / admin team in place.

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When navigating kbin on desktop, clicking the kbin logo at the upper left brings me to the homepage.

When viewing on mobile either via my browser or PWA, next to the kbin logo is a hamburger icon to display the current magazine's sidebar. From that sidebar view, I do see a button to bring me to the homepage. But tapping the kbin logo also brings me to the magazine's sidebar whereas I'm expecting the logo to bring me to the homepage instead.

Is that correct or is there a setting I'm missing? I'm still learning my way around kbin and the Fediverse in general.

EDIT: Just realized this is an issue that's already been submitted. Guess I should have searched known issues first! https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues/178

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It's happened multiple times today, I go look into the most recent posts in "all" , I am happily scrolling, when BAM! NSFW.

Now, I have nothing against that type of content itself, but not everyone wants to see it. This is the reason you can disable NSFW content from your feed, but it'll only work if people check the specific mark before posting.

Sorry, just wanted to rant, it's frustrating...

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Check out the post by @Jonamerica here

For instance, if you didn't want to see anything from lemmy.ml you could go to https://kbin.social/d/lemmy.ml and click the block icon on the right side. (not an endorsement to block lemmy.ml)
You can manage your blocked domains from https://kbin.social/settings/blocked/domains

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When I search for a community that exists on lemmy.ml by going to Magazines>Search, some of them aren't showing up.

For example, I want to add gis@lemmy.ml. I've tried searching for just "gis" and for "gis@lemmy.ml". Neither show that community. The same goes for powerlifting and hamradio.

The first two are newer communities, made within the last week. the hamradio community, I think is newer as there aren't a ton of posts.

Is this just a case of the servers not being "caught up" yet?

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Apologies if this has been covered. With the search function broken, I can't find out.

So it seems that microblogs pull in Mastodon hashtag content. So I've been hashing all my threads and posts but I can't find any of that content on Mastodon. So is it just a one way feed for this feature unlike other federated instances?

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I've created a userscript that hides posts based on the language set in the badge.

You can change the whitelisted languages by adding them to the whitelist variable. For example, if you only want to see English and German posts, you can change the whitelist to let whitelist = ['en', 'OC', 'de']

Let me know if there are any issues! I haven't tested it much, but it seems to be working well

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I've been trying to join https://lemmy.world/c/climbing@lemmy.ml from kbin, but it's not coming up on the magazine search. If I search for that or !climbing@lemmy.ml, it just says "empty".

Other Lemmy communities do show up, though. If I search for "NBA", then nba@lemmy.world and nba@lemmy.ml both come up.

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For #Lemmy users, I just found out that there is a way to get #RSS newsfeeds of a Lemmy community. It is easier to show an example than explain. If you would be reading the Security News community at its home site using

https://infosec.pub/c/securitynews

then the link for the RSS feed would be

https://infosec.pub/feeds/c/securitynews.xml

So the general format is

https://LEMMY_SERVER_LINK/feeds/c/COMMUNITY_NAME_NO_SPACES.xml

where the uppercase items need to be replaced.

More information at https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/contributors/04-api.html?#rssatom-feeds

Unfortunately I can't find anything similar for #kbin - anyone know if it is possible to get an RSS feed of a kbin community (or "magazine" as they call it)? I looked at the FAQ by @kbinMeta but could not find anything about RSS feeds.

#fediverse #RedditMigration

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I'm not asking for votes to be disabled, just an option to hide the numbers when viewing posts/comments/etc on my own screen.

I've been using this option on Lemmy and I like it a lot

I think it helps prevent preconceived notions if I don't see a score (up or down) before I even get a chance to read the content

opt-in of course, so only those who want to hide scores can enable the feature

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  • [ ] Notify me of new threads in a magazine I moderate
  • [ ] Notify me of new posts in a magazine I moderate
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I don't see a way to make most/all links open to a new tab. I like this because it is/feels faster than going back with the browser back arrow, and I'd think it would eliminate a lot of reloading calls as well as maintains where you last were.

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I see for the home page, we can either have: Subscribed (magazines we sub to), All (everything in the fediverse?), Moderated (Magazines we moderate), and Favourites.

Two options I'm looking for are:

  1. seeing everything just in kbin.social

  2. Seeing everything from any instance in kbin. (So stuff like kbin.info would show up, but lemmy and beehaw wouldn't)

Is there currently some way to do either of these? I know Mastodon lets you organize that way, so if you're in something like mstdn.games, then you can view everything from that specific community only. I think it's called "Local" over there.

I haven't found it or can't find anyone talking about it, yet. So I'm wondering if I'm just missing some obvious way to sort my home page that way.

Also, let me know if this is better suited for a different magazine!

#kbinMeta

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What does the kbin community think about having new user accounts subscribed to some set of default communities to get them started and show how the platform works? Rather than starting from ground 0, users can have ~20-30 communities and then add/remove from there. Similar to how Reddit has default subreddits or MySpace had everyone friends with Tom.

Not only would it help grow fledgling communities, but it would also help showcase federation if we included some of the Lemmy or Mastadon sites as well.

Just a small example list:

While I'm not advocating those all be defaults, if every user new user received the same "federated start communities" it shows how kbin interact with these other platforms and helps grow the entire fediverse.

I'm just one kbin user, so what does everyone else think?

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@ernest I've seen quite a few people suggest renaming magazines to bins, what do you think?

#kbinMeta

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So after a few days of lurking Kbin and trying to understand the marvelous world of the Fediverse, I've tried keep some mental notes of the struggles I've had and some spontaneous areas of improvement that I personally would like to see.

Nevertheless, I think even in these very early stages there is great potential in Kbin and the Fediverse as a whole, and it will be fun to follow along and see how this develops.

Terminology
From the point of view of a Reddit user, I do of course understand that Kbin is its own thing and Reddit isn't exactly the golden standard, but I do however find a lot of the Kbin specific lingo to be very confusing and sometimes rather inconsistent.

So looking at the top menu, you have Threads, Microblog, People and Magazines. Threads and Microblog are both actually part of a Magazine which is essentially the same thing as a community or a subreddit. However, you don't actually post threads to the Magazine; you post Articles. If I understand is correctly, there actually is no such thing as a Thread in Kbin.

An Article is however also not actually a link to an article, but rather a text post onto Kbin itself, i.e. a selfpost in Reddit lingo. To post an article, one has to post a Link, which is functionally identical to an Article except it also features an URL to an article. Both a Link and an Article can also include an image, but it's also possible to post a Photo, which is similar to a Link or Article, except it doesn't include a text body field.

There is also an option to post a Video, but that doesn't seem to work at the moment.

All of the above post types also feature Tags and Badges. I honestly don't understand what those are for.

You can also select whether the post is NSFW or OC (which I assume means Original Content), which are pretty self explanatory, albeit arguably a bit redundant for an Article which I would assume is inherently OC by itself.

However, posting any of these types is not the same thing as posting a Post, which actually means posting a microblog entry. A Post is similar to an Article, except there is no title, tags or badges and unlike an Article, a Post has no option to specify whether it's original content or not.

I assume that a microblog Post has a limited number of allowed characters, but I can't see that being specified anywhere.

So naturally I find all of this very confusing as a new user. Kbin uses a lot its own unique terminology and lingo, that honestly isn't completely self explanatory. The main issue is however that this lingo is also never really explained anywhere. As a new user, one has to essentially guess how things fit together and after several days I still don't really understand a lot of things.

My suggestion is to at least add more tooltips, placeholders and descriptions, explaining what each thing actually does and how one is supposed to interact with it.

Even better would be to add some proper onboarding steps, guiding the user through the ins and out of Kbin and the Fediverse and how one actually gets started using it.

If it isn't already set in stone, I would however personally suggest also changing some of the terminology to make it more understandable, but that might just be me.

Navigational structure
Again, this might absolutely be a matter of getting used to a different site, but I still struggle grasping the overall user flow throughout the site.

Clicking on Threads I get a list of all Articles, Links, Photos and Videos posted in all Magazines that are part of the Kbin network (both local and external). I can then click on Microblog to see the same things but for Posts.

So far so good, except I am inherently uninterested in seeing an uncurated mountain of softcore porn mixed with German travel tips, so I try to switch showing only Magazines I'm subscribed to. That is however not a setting, but a completely different part of the site /sub which I get redirected to.

If I now click on an Article or Post, it opens so that I can read it. However, I am now no longer on /sub, which means that if I go back to the feed, I'm back to seeing everything again.

Similarly, I can click on a Magazine to see all Articles posted there. I can then click Microblog to see all Posts, and I can click on People to see... People related to the Magazine (I don't really understand what I'm seeing).

I can freely navigate back and fourth between these top level navigation links without leaving the Magazine. However, clicking on Magazines will take me to a some kind of sorted list of different Magazines. Even though it's on the same structural level in the navigation, I am now on completely different part of the site and clicking on the different links in the navigation will take me back to the frontpage of the respective area, not the Magazine I was on previously.

On the topic of Magazines, there is also no easy way to actually list the Magazines you're subscribed to. As far as I know, the only way is to go to Profile -> Settings -> Subscriptions, which isn't exactly streamlined for something I would argue should be one of the most important core functionalities.

General usability
So this one might be a bit silly, since of course things will improve going forward, but I thought I'd include it anyway.

You can see in the feed whether a certain entry is an Article, Link or Photo by the small icon in the lower left. You can click on the photo icon to show the photo inline without opening the article, but clicking the Article icon does nothing. Links don't have an icon at all, making it rather confusing whether an entry is an Article on the Fediverse or if it's a link to an external site.

Presumably, all types should have an icon and clicking on the icon should show text body as well as the photo if available.

Furthermore, clicking on the actual image preview navigates to the article itself, while then clicking on the same preview in the article opens a modal with the full photo. Clicking on the title leads to opening the URL of the photo itself, which I fail to understand why I would ever want to do.

Looking at the comment thread, typically the first thing I want to do is to be able to comment on the article. The comment box is however located way down at the bottom of the page, forcing the user the user to scroll for ages before being able to interact with the article. It would be much better if it was located at the top.

Being able to collapse comment threads would also be much appreciated and also auto collapsing low quality comments, like how Reddit does it.

I'm assuming there is a technical reason for this, but paginating comments appears a bit bulky and dated from a modern web design perspective. It makes it very difficult to follow long discussions and also effectively makes new comments invisible when they get put on page 3+.

Infinite scroll or an option to load additional comments, would be much preferable. Increasing the page size would also be a great improvement if possible.

Lastly, writing this, I would love to see some improvements to the post interface overall. I don't understand why the body text box is significantly narrower than the resulting article and without a preview option it's very difficult to layout the article properly.

I'm unfamiliar with what limitations there might be in ActivityPub, but I feel that some more formatting options would be a great additions. Headers, sub- and superscript and tables are some of the things that I really miss. Optimally, I would like to see even more advanced formatting and layouting options, but one step at a time, I guess. :)

Final words

So that's the end of this surprisingly gigantic novel of a post. I hope I don't come off as just whiny since I do absolutely appreciate what you have done so far and really hope that this becomes as successful as it has the potential to be.

I would love to hear what other have to say about my thoughts and suggestions. Is it complete nonsense or does it have some validity?

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Is there any way to make my home page only show my subscribed magazine threads instead of across the fediverse? I have it set to subscriptions under my profile settings for homepage but that doesn't seem to change anything.

#kbinMeta

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