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A community dedicated to every form of hydroponics, a technique for growing plants without soil.

Everything regarding hydroponics is welcome here - from your houseplant in LECA to big scale commercial farming.

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LECA (hydro clay balls, my media of choice) isn't LECA. There are many different brands and types around on the market.

TL;DR: The best brand is...

It doesn't matter! Just use the cheapest one you can find. I made an overview about the different types at the end.

Here are the properties that matter tho:

- Size:

  • Small balls have a stronger capillary action. They pull up the nutrient solution stronger, which results in a wetter medium, and sometimes more salt buildup at the top.
  • There's less space between the balls the smaller they are. This results in less airflow, but more contact area for the roots.
    For bigger plants and epiphytes (Orchids, monstera, etc.) you might prefer bigger clumps, and for stuff like ferns or small pots in general smaller beads are better.

- Shape:

  • Irregular shaped beads anchor the roots better
  • Rounder ones have more airflow and are easier to sift
  • When you spill some, the round balls will roll all over your apartment, while the irregular shaped ones stay more in place. Easier to clean up ;)
  • Reusing: speaking of cleaning up, rounder balls will be easier to remove the roots. But, I just throw them into the pressure cooker, and the roots turn into mush and remove themselves.

- Porousity/ Density:

  • They are all working fine, doesn't matter much
  • Some will float forever, some will sink to the bottom when submerged
  • Some types crack in the oven and explode when cleaning for reuse. You'll have to be careful and increase the temperature slowly to burn off plant matter. That step usually isn't needed tho.

How can you tell if a brand is high quality or not?

- Size variation:

A good product has beads that are uniformly sized. If there are a lot of small balls, they fill the gaps and worsen the aeration.

- Amount of "junk" in there:

I've had some bags where I found some wood chips, plastic stuff and unpopped kernels/ pieces of clay in there.
They usually aren't a huge problem, but still kinda annoying.

And that's it!

Overview and pictures

Overview

I live in Germany, so many of the brands probably aren't available to you. That doesn't matter tho, since the "type" matters more than the brand.

A

I got this one from Dehner, a local garden store.

  • Expensive
  • Good median size distribution, very round shaped and smooth surface.
  • Doesn't float

B

  • Cheap
  • I got this from Action, a local dollarstore
  • Very bad size distribution. Lots of very small beads.
  • Dense
  • Uniformly round

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Brand: Floragard

  • Cheapest, from Amazon
  • Irregular shaped, rough surface
  • Good size distribution, but some are very big
  • Floats, very light
  • Explodes in oven
  • Still one of my favourites

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  • Also from Dehner
  • Very uniform size distribution, but very small
  • Very dense

E

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These cucumbers seem to love the Kratky setup I put them in. I also started Kratky buckets with Tomatoes and Romaine lettuce.

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Cross post from !houseplants@mander.xyz

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So i finished the Salad, and pulled out a couple roots

Thats from the top front row, wormbox or compost would probably a good idea. Any recommendations instead of trash?

Couple extra Pics of the Outdoor Hydro with a bit of fixing rain collection on roof

Any Ideas on a more permanent fix for the tent? 3Dprinting Clips and adding a middel beam...

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Quick disclaimer: I already made a more beginner friendly guide on !gruenerdaumen@feddit.org in German, which was more written for people who never came into contact with hydro. Here it is if you're interested meine deutschen Freunde :)

This guide only covers the technique itself, and is not about hydroponics in general.


Introduction

Have you ever wondered, if it's possible to create the perfect environment for every plant out there?

I did too, and now I can tell you, it's possible!

I have about 70+ houseplants alone sitting in semi-hydro (S/H), including orchids, ferns, cacti, calatheas, and whatnot. And they are all thriving!

Even with (comparably) very low maintainence!

Upkeeping this jungle would be impossible otherwise.

And these are only my indoor houseplants. It also works on other (outdoor) crops, like cannabis, chilis, herbs, and more!


How it works

To demonstrate you this setup, let me show you my small calathea. It has a nice clear pot, where you can see all parts the best, including the roots.

The backbone of this setup is the substrate. For that, I use expanded clay balls, also called "LECA" or "hydroton".

It has the ability to be wicking, can store a bit of moisture, and, most importantly, it has many air gaps in between the pellets due to the form factor.

There's also the additional benefit that it's inert and it also will never decay, so you don't have to repot as often. Oh, and it's also very affordable :)

The pot is always standing ~1/3rd in nutrient solution. To ensure that, a water level indicator is added. That way, you will never have to guess again when to water!

If you plan to go on vacation, you can fill the pot up to the maximum line, and that will last you for weeks!

Don't use the full capacity too often tho, as it will create problems further down the road and should only be used as exception.

With a regular sized plant in a regular sized pot, I only have to water once a week, often only even once every two weeks when filled to the middle ("optimum") line.

Now, the magic begins. The plant will now begin to regulate itself and takes what it needs as it grows. How you may ask?

Because there is a gradient of different moisture zones in the pot.

The bottom third is 100% wet, and 0% air. When the plant is thirsty, it will form water roots that reach directly into the nutrient solution.

The middle half is balanced. Here, the LECA wicks up most of the moisture, and the balls are fully saturated and moist. The substrate can only store 30% of its weight in water, and the rest is air, even on the inside! The moisture is mainly upheld by capillary action.

And the upper few centimeters are (almost) completely dry. They will mostly act as a cover, so the moisture doesn't draw up too high.

(Btw, this is one of the reasons why we don't wanna fill up the reservoir too much, since that would shift the zones up too high and create a toxic fertilizer crust on the surface that can burn the plant when done in excess.)

You can see this phenomenon on said calathea.

The bottom roots look completely different than the upper ones.

Especially the upper roots have formed lots of root hair, which are often also called "air roots", while most of the other roots have established themselfes just right above where the nutrient solution surface is usually, and a few ones are submerged into the solution.

I never placed them myself that way, the plant did it itself! It just took what it needed.

Some moisture loving plants (like banana trees, calatheas, etc.) reach down almost completely into the reservoir, while others, like phalaenopsis orchids for example, can't stand having wet feet at all and establish themselves in the upper sections.

How amazing is that?!

Drawbacks (& care routine)

There aren't many, but still, there are a few ones.

First, transitioning plants from soil/ other setups to S/H is painful.

It will suffer a lot, and so will you.

If there's one single crumb of dirt left, it will rot. And some roots will rot anyway, no matter what you do. If you want tips, ask me.

Also, you'll need to "flush" the pot regularly. If you see the water level approaching "minimum", just swish the pot around a bit, that will loosen up debris. Then pour that in the drain, and top water it with your nutrient solution.

That will flush any accumulated salts and waste material down into the reservoir, and you can dispose it the next time.

I personally think doing that at least every second or third time when watering (basically, once a month) works the best. You don't need to overthink it.


Anyway, this post is already longer than expected. If you have any questions, ask. I know everything about that topic :D

Bonus (& tips)

Here are some random pictures with information for you! :)

These are commercial hydro pots. I can highly recommend buying those, instead of going the DIY-route.

If you still wanna build one yourself, because those inner hydro pots often don't fit into normal outer plant pots, I strongly recommend you to use orchid pots instead of nursery pots. They have way better airflow and you can see the roots better.
Also, zip-tie the indicator to the pot for easier lifting :)

Here are the roots of two different plants. See how different they look!

I've noticed that some (peat loving) carnivorous plants don't like hydro, while others still thrive in it

Here's me growing potatoes and weed

And here are a few of my calatheas (or similar)

Some of them have a few crispy tips, either due to the initial transition from soil to hydro, or because I completely forgot to water them. Never ever let your reservoir run dry! This can severely damage the delicate root structure!

Most of them are less than half a year old, and they even grew so much in winter that I was able to divide the root stock and propagate them!

Now, summer is starting, and they just explode with growth! It feels like they almost push out leafes daily and look incredible vibrant!

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A while ago, another member of this community posted a study on how old used fabrics can be utilised to grow hydroponic plants.

The fabric should be made of synthetic fibers if you want to keep it for longer than a few days.

On the main picture I'm growing cress on a "single use" cotton cloth I use to wipe my glasses dry, so it's basically clean, but has some lint or whatever on it and would otherwise land in the trash after some uses.

It will decay after a few weeks, but since the cress (or other microgreens) will be eaten in a matter of days, that won't happen ;)


I also created a "buffet" for my cats, consisting of different cat grass types and catnip.

I have to replace them quite often, especially the wheat, because they get nasty really quickly, but I don't want to waste any substrate, like LECA, coco coir or even soil for that matter.

For that, I've cut my old polyester sports shirt into segments and stapled them onto nursery pots, just long enough that they're reaching into the nutrient solution.

The textile will act as a wick and keep the surface and interior constantly moist, while most of the roots will either grow directly through the fabric, like in the kratky method, and some will grow sidewards.

The great thing is that it won't create any waste, and is basically free. I can just throw it away after use, or maybe even reuse it again, let's see!

Sprinkling the tiny seeds was also extremely easy, and I can keep it small enough to be modular.

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I feel a little bit dumb right now, because I bought almost 200 liters of LECA this year for my balcony, just to find out that half of that may have worked out just as well...

The video covers growing root vegetables (potatoes, ginger, etc.) in particular, because they seem to not grow that well in substrate-less techniques like the suspended pot method.
Substrate is expensive, and you can cut a lot of it out by just using a cache pot or whatever inside the actual pot, and they don't seem to mind at all about that!

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I've recently started trying coco, and when researching about it, I found out it has lots of leftover salts and unsaturated cation exchange sites from the production process.

Therefore, I first soaked it with epsom salt (MgSO4), to exchange the sodium and potassium sites with magnesium (calcium would work too), because otherwise, the medium wouldn't be pH neutral and alter the composition of my nutrient solution.

Then, I washed it thoroughly with pure water and repeated that until the EC was low enough.

All of that felt very wasteful and inconvenient.

Do you have an easier way to do that?

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I designed and printed these adapters, which fit into used glass bottles. I use them to grow lettuce, basil, and more.
I will publish the files very soon and also make a post about them :)

Right now, I'm trying different materials to use as substrate for holding the seeds, but most I tried sucked in one way or another.

  • LECA is too coarse, and the balls roll out.
  • Coco coir is washed out quickly when filling the bottles/ when raining, and rots in the nutrient solution
  • Polyester filling (used for pillows) is either completely soaked, or bone dry, but works reasonably well
  • PVA sponges become too hard when dry
  • Cotton/ other cellulose stuff (towel, etc.) decompose too quickly

Can you suggest me other materials that would be best suited for that purpose?

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Maybe a bit wet, with all that condensation. Opening the feont feels like entering a rainforest.

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Moving Day (infosec.pub)
submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by UxyIVrljPeRl@lemmy.world to c/hydroponics@slrpnk.net
 
 

Its time to move from Indoor to the Outdoors. What a fight, but in the end it took 3-4Hours without cleanup.

Lets start with plastic bag and cable tie on the Drain, we don't want a flood repeat.

Put some stones down, added the greenhouse frame and moved the system.

Finally pull the Greenhouse foil over and readd the watertank.

Fin:

Bonus Pic in the evening, showing Condensation:

~~Currently the 12v waterpump runs with power from the grid, but im planning to replace it with an Solarpanel+battery+pump combo. A small fountain setup should do the trick.~~ Change of plans after reading reviews, i ordered a mppt, will use the old pump and combine it with an old car battery. I have a Solarpanel, but a used one would be <20€

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TL;DR

You can buy shot dispensers, that dose a certain amount of liquid (usually 20 ml) with each pour, and then make your own stock solution for your fertilizer.

With that, you can create your nutrient solutions WAY quicker and don't have to measure anything.

I have made it that one shot per watering can equals the exact dosing recommendations for the final nutrient solution, with the extra benefit that the fertilizer doesn't spoil.

Why?

Measuring and dosing fertilizer can be a tedious task.

I for example use Masterblend for my hydroponic setups, including all of my houseplants, which is a 3-part fertilizer that comes in form of a highly concentrated powder and includes everything the plant needs.

You can still use liquid nutrients if you prefer, especially if you need smaller amounts. I personally like to mix it myself, because it's way cheaper than having someone else dissolving salt for you and then slapping a premium price tag on it ;)

Most of my dosing is done for very small volumes, e.g. one liter. Having to weight the exact amounts (usually in the range of less than 1 g) every single time I refill my small watering can would be very impractical to say it at least.

But even when using an one-part liquid fertilizer that's meant for soil or house plants, it can be annoying to use the dosing cap every time.

I highly recommend to add fertilizer every time you water your plants.
You don't want to eat your day's worth of calories in one sitting, and your plants feel the same, even though dosing recommendations tell you otherwise.
Adding those huge amounts of minerals can be a big stress factor for many sensitive plants, and spacing the nutrients gives the plants more time to absorb them properly.

How?

Here's how I made it. Take it as an inspiration for your workflow if you want.

  1. Mix the Masterblend with the Magnesium sulphate in a ratio of 2:1.
  2. If you need big amounts at once, e.g. for refilling your reservoir with 20 liters, you still have to weight the amounts individually. For the final nutrient solution, you'll need 0,8 g/l of your Masterblend and epson salt mix, which I will from now on call part A, aswell as 0,53 g/l of Calcium nitrate.
  3. I now dissolve 30 g of part A and 20 g of part B individually in water and add it do a 750 ml bottle.
  4. When everything is dissolved, I can now add one shot each from solution A and B into my 1 l watering can and then fill it up with rainwater, which gives me the exact amount most of my plants need.

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Last year, I built a solar powered, off-grid hydroponic system, that was meant to be used outside and provide a very solid setup.

I made a extensive post about it, you can read it here.

I've been really happy with it, so I switched my whole balcony front row (6 pots) to it, improved it and fixed some pain points I had last year.

Each pot holds about 10 liters of nutrient solution and 30 l of LECA when completely filled.

Even though they are very big in size (and can support very large plants), each pot had a weight of about 15 kg under normal conditions the last time I lifted it.

Problems and fixes

My first problem last year was the substrate itself.

I used lava rock, because I got it cheap from a store nearby, and is supposed to be a great hydro medium.
I found it to be too heavy, dusty, hard to clean after use, and too sharp on the edges, hurting the roots after each wind or moving of the pot.

I now changed the substrate to LECA (hydroton/ expanded clay pebbles), which I found very inexpensive online, and doesn't have the cons I listed. It's very airy/ lightweight, has smooth edges, doesn't hurt as much when you step on it (a feeling worse than stepping on a LEGO brick!) and wicks water better than lava.

I also improved the air flow by using net cups for ponds. Sadly, I already noticed them bending and one slipping through, so I had to melt the edges of the outer pots a bit, to create an edge that holds everything in place.

It will be way easier to lift them out now, since I attached some cords in the corners.

I also added a fine mesh and some wood floor tiles I had left over, which will prevent any debris (leaves, dead insects, cat hair, etc.) from flying into the reservoir and rotting.

The mesh is fixed to the inner pot by a velcro for easy removal.

I also added a filter sponge for the pump to prevent any clogs due to plant debris or rocks falling through.

Why this setup specifically?

Over the last year, I tried a few different setups. Kratky, DWC, etc., you name it.

I needed something robust for outdoor growing. I hate the idea of a single pump failure killing everything I worked for the last months.

So I made this setup, which is basically the same passive LECA hydroculture (semi-hydro) I use indoors too for my houseplants, but assisted with a weak USB pump that is powered by small individual solar panels.

This helps keeping the solution aerated and moving, but without the need for an air stone. The LECA has such a big surface area, that the gas exchange happens passively by diffusion.

It also prevents a salt crust from forming due to increased evaporation in summer. There's still some evaporation, but that helps cooling the roots in summer heat. Besides that, it also assists in properly irrigating the plants when they are smaller and the roots can't reach the nutrient solution.

Everything is modular, cheap and replaceable, and it can run without power for weeks theoretically.

The main reasons I built it, besides the pros I already mentioned, compared to other setups are:

  1. I hate the constant noise that the air stones and pump made in my DWC setup last year, and this setup is almost completely silent.
  2. It is hard to place trellises/ supports/ clips onto classic hydro setups. Here, we can just poke them into the LECA and everything is locked into place.
  3. Many setups, like DWC, are too heavy for my balcony and use too much nutrient solution for my taste.

I will post more pictures once the plants I prepared are placed outdoors into the pots.

I've had it running now for a few weeks, to flush out the LECA and to see how it performs, just in case some major problem arises. For now, it looks very very promising.

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Hi! As said in the title I’m complete noob in growing food, but I’m excited to learn about hydroponics. I’ve 3d printed this small tower and trying to grow Basil, Lettuce and parsley.

This is my second attempt at hydroponics and even tho I thought I researched everything I failed the last time. Any tips and recommendations would be appreciated!

If anyone could help me figure it out, I have these questions:

  1. At what stage of growth should I put seedling in the system?

This is their current stage and I put them in system today

2 What should be the pump cycle? Currently I have it running for 10 minutes every 3 hours

3 What would be the ideal temperature for water and room temperature?

4 Should I invest and install grow lights immediately or am I fine for letting them be next to window for a week at least?

Any help would be greatly appreciated! :)

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Hello. I am new to this community. I have been reading much about Airoponics and would like to get started. Can't find a specific community, though. Can I generally use the advice here for an Auroponics setup as well?

Thank you for your thoughts.

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I finally did it, i bought rolling feet for my Hydroponic Plants

I cant recommend that enough, its finally not a fight to get the Plant and 10-15l of water in Place, even if its just rotating them... I should have done that earlier.

I also cleaned the Hydrosytem And the electric is now Waterspill protected...(bottom right, in a Bottle gift bag)

Cleaning was Probably overdue:

Finally i now own a tiny greenhouse to move the Hydro outside.

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I didnt plan to drop the Solution Bucket, but it happened, luckily after i finished so ther were maybe 5l in there and now everywhere...

TIL: People are right, i should be safer with water and Electric...

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Hello water friends, i think about using these containers formerly filled with flavour, now empt, for some Kraftky Microgreensor typical kitchen herbs.

My base idea would be to fill them with leca or similar before planting, maybe 3d print a spacer for the bottom? Open for ideas, maybe someone already uses these?

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One thing I love about LECA (those expanded clay balls, you know?) is that you can always reuse it indefinitely and don't have to throw it away after use.

Up until now I always just boiled it after using, which removed most of the dead roots and crap, and then I put it into the oven at full power to bake it, which burnt off all remaining organic stuff.
That wasn't a problem up until now, because I never had to clean very big amounts all at once.

But, I have two issues with it:

  • First, it cracks a few of the balls, especially those new ones I bought. They explode and shatter quite a bit, which sucks.
  • And, soon, I would have to bake about hundred liters of that stuff because of the new setup I will use this year, which is plain stupid and infeasible at this scale.

So, I had the thought of doing that cleaning chemically at room temperature, over a longer time frame.

I have thought about a few options.

  • Chlorine bleach is the cheapest idea, but I have doubts that the sodium content remaining is bad for the plants, and the traces of bleach could kill of beneficial microorganisms. Maybe I could add a neutralizing agent, like thiosulphate or vitamin C?
  • Peroxide probably isn't strong enough?
  • Enzymes could dissolve proteins and stuff, but a lot of biofilm and other organic matter probably isn't affected by it, or is it?
  • ...?

Are there any products or things I could try? Or do you have any ideas? Thanks a lot! :)

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Hey all,

I've been using my fertilizer now for a year, and it's the only one I've used up until now, because I alway was satisfied with it, because it's both very inexpensive and well formulated imo.

I'm using the Masterblend set, with the solutions pre-mixed for short term use.

I have mixed two "stock solution" bottles, which last me a few months in winter (only for houseplants and my small indoor grow tent) and a few weeks in summer (balcony gardening + house plants). You can see the ingredients on the bottles on the picture:

They are always stored in complete darkness.

And then I have a diluted solution, with an EC of about 3-4 mS and a low pH, which I adapted to exactly match my tap water and houseplants when diluted to ~1/3. This pre-mix lasts me a few days maximum.

I've already noticed a few floaters in summer here and there, but didn't mind them too much. They looked like small jellyfish or something floating around, but I thought that they might be some precipitation from minerals or whatever.

They got a bit more after some time, and a few weeks ago, I soaked everything in hot bleach water and mixed everything from scratch, because I already had the feeling that those might be amoebae or other microorganisms.

But now, everything is way worse. Just take a look:

Those specs are even in the normal nutrient solution!

A few of my plants have a reoccurring spring tail "infestation". More like constant house mates.

I even got the chance to take a picture of them fucking. I feel like a pervert now...

No wonder they have such a good time. They're probably feasting on those mold specs. They're pretty much harmless and easy to manage, so I just don't care as much.

Anyway... What I wanted to ask you: What shall I do? Desinfecting clearly doesn't work.

The root cause seems to be the water. If I wouldn't pre-dissolve everything, nothing would get moldy.

But of course, I need it to be in a liquid form for proper handling. Other fertilizer manufacturers are able to manage this too, so why can't I?

Shall I add preservatives to the concentrate, like Isothiazolinones?

Or should I just switch to another fertilizer? If so, which one would you recommend, that is also cheap?

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A while ago I made following post: How I built those amazing Kratky containers from protein powder jars

If you don't know, what the Kratky method is, here's the description from Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kratky_method

Those containers shown in the how-to have been in use for a few months by now, and my weed has started pre-flowering.
Two plants at once are now very hungry and thirsty, but they're growing like crazy and show absolutely great root health!

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Hello my Hydropis, today i cut back my Tomato and switched the Reservoir to one thats dark. Did the algae become a Problem?

No, but it wasn't nice to look up and every time i had to reach in, the slime was on anything...

Old Water/Tank:

Here's my cut off:

And lastly some new Pics of my Growroom :)

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