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The original was posted on /r/exmormon by /u/KingSnazz32 on 2025-08-03 04:35:40+00:00.


They'd flown out to stay with a relative of one of her friends, and from there are going south along the coast to see some stuff before they each set out for their first year of college in a couple of weeks. They all graduated from high school in Utah. I'd known my niece was just waiting to go to college out of Utah to ghost the church, but was surprised at the others. One of them said they'd seen some missionaries about town earlier in the day, then the one boy in the group asked if we were LDS. I said no, and all three of my niece's friends said they were raised Mormon, but weren't any more.

I don't know what they meant by this, if their parents left a few years ago, or if they've just decided they're not going back now that they've graduated. I didn't want to prod, but I was proud that they'd already found their way out. No missions or premature temple marriages or any of that, just finishing high school and moving on. Two will be going to school in Utah, two not, but all four are out of the church. They all seemed like really good kids, too, with thoughtful plans and ambitions. It gave me a lot of hope for the next generation.

I'm sure Mormons as a whole aren't going anywhere, but maybe this generation is the last one where Mormons will dominate Utah, and those who remain will find it increasingly easy to leave, if that's how they decide to live their lives.

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The original was posted on /r/exmormon by /u/Simon_in_Oz on 2025-08-03 03:48:08+00:00.


Mormon apologetic responses to the exposure of the Book of Mormon in the face of DNA evidence fall into two broad groups. There's the traditional, BYU-approved and quietly church-funded camp typified by FAIR and Scripture Central, and there's the fundamentalist, BYU-shunned and church-tolerated camp of Heartlanders (Rodney Meldrum), who are funded by gullible older Mormons. The essential difference between the two camps is whether or not they accept creationism. They are either anti-creationists (BYU) or creationists (Heartlanders). And by no coincidence, they are either pro-evolution (BYU) or anti-evolution (Heartlanders) because that's the boogeyman that creationists fear most.

In another post I have looked at why BYU-aligned BoM apologists are anti-creationists and their apologetic responses to the absence of Lehi's DNA in Indigenous American populations. https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/1mfh8cm/simon//_southerton//_responds//_to//_byualigned//_fair//_and/?utm%5C%5C_source=share&utm%5C%5C_medium=web3x&utm%5C%5C_name=web3xcss&utm%5C%5C_term=1&utm%5C%5C_content=share%5C%5C_button.

Here I would like to respond to the claims of Rodney Meldrum and his Heartland mates.

The Heartlanders

Most Mormons do not work at BYU and very few of them have scientific training in the biological and earth sciences. Many still hold creationist beliefs because you can talk openly about them at church and not face any pushback. The anti-creationist views of BYU-aligned DNA apologists are very confronting to people holding fundamentalist beliefs. The emergence of a grass roots creationist backlash was inevitable and around 2007 it congealed in the form of Rodney Meldrum' and his Heartland model.

For almost 20 years, Rodney Meldrum, a scientifically illiterate charlatan, has been claiming there is DNA evidence right under everyone’s noses. Meldrum’s entire Heartland charade is built on a single fraudulent claim; that Native American maternal X lineages (X2a) were brought to the Americas by Lehi’s family in 600 BC. This claim is false. The X2a lineage has not been found in the Middle East. There isn’t a single research scientist trained in human genetics (there are thousands) who believes the X2a lineage arrived in the Americas this recently. It is a widely accepted fact it arrived in the Americas over 15,000 years ago. The author of the Church's DNA essay, Ugo Perego, is one of them.

Twice a year thousands of mostly retired Mormons gather together for a Heartland festival of junk science. Having been assured all their lives that scientific evidence supports the ancient migration of Hebrews to the Americas, as described in the Book of Mormon, these folk are desperate to buy Meldrum’s snake oil. Meldrum’s errors have been pointed out to him repeatedly, by me, LDS apologists at BYU including Ugo Perego, and even mainstream scientists. But he is making so much money from his fraudulent claims he is now incapable of admitting he could be wrong.

Nothing makes a person more immune to facts than having their income reliant on ignoring them.

Heartland is built on Creationism

Meldrum’s inability to accept the scientific consensus is due to his fixed young earth creationist views. He believes we all descend from Noah and his family, who survived a literal global flood 4,500-years-ago, and ultimately from Adam and Eve, who lived 6,000 years ago. The earliest possible arrival time in the Americas, according to Meldrum, must be after the waters of the flood receded. Because of these fixed views, he will never accept the fact that humans have lived in the Americas for over 15,000 years.

To bolster his credibility, Rodney Meldrum claims to have been the lead scientific researcher on a university-level scientific textbook. The truth is that he spent several years photocopying scientific papers for Dean Sessions, a delusional BYU graduate and author of the Universal Model. Sessions believes the foundations of mainstream science are fundamentally wrong, and that single handedly he has discovered a host of new scientific laws and principles that just so happen to support the beliefs of young earth creationists. These are Session’s own words from the introduction to the Universal Model three-volume set.

The Universal Model includes the introduction of more natural law and scientific truth in these three volumes than in any other scientific work ever published. Its ultimate purpose is to lift humanity by fostering understanding and promoting the comprehension of Nature. The UM does so by restoring truth and order in science, and by establishing new natural law. - Dean Sessions

The Universal Model is a textbook (pardon the pun) example of motivated reasoning. Like Meldrum, Dean Sessions is a young earth creationist and his thousands of pages of junk science are aimed at buttressing his beliefs. To save you wasting your money and time here are the main take aways from the Universal Model: the water required for the flood is found in the core of the earth; fossils can be created in a matter of days rather than millions of years; all scientific dating methods are wildly inaccurate; and evolution is false. In other words, the entire global scientific community, including hundreds of Mormon scientists at “the Lord’s University” have been entirely deceived and God has chosen Dean Sessions to restore to the earth the largest instalment of scientific truth in history. But lets not forget, that Rodney Meldrum's Heartland model is built on Session's Universal Model pseudoscience.

RODNEY MELDRUM’S HEARTLAND MODEL IS BUILT ON THE FOUNDATION OF DEAN SESSION’S CREATIONIST UNIVERSAL MODEL.

Kennewick Man exposed Heartland lies

Kennewick Man, or The Ancient One, is the name given to a near complete ancient skeleton that washed out of the banks of the Columbia River near Kennewick Washington in 1996. The skeleton was remarkably well preserved and has been subjected to more intensive scientific analysis than the remains of any other ancient American. When Kennewick Man’s DNA was published in 2015 he created the single greatest challenge to Rodney Meldrum’s dodgy Heartland claims. As fate would have it, Kennewick Man possessed the most ancestral form of all the maternal X2a lineages discovered in the Americas. The other problem was that he was almost 9,000-years old. If the facts scientists discovered about Kennewick Man are reliable, Rodney Meldrum’s creationist beliefs and his Heartland X lineage claims are demonstrably false.

The scientific case against Meldrum is as strong as it gets. Five independent and confirmatory lines of evidence prove beyond doubt that Kennewick Man was a Native American who lived thousands of years before the Book of Mormon period began:

  1. Twelve radiocarbon tests of his well-preserved bone collagen (the gold standard) yielded dates around 9,000 years ago.
  2. A primitive spear point embedded in his hip bone is between 7,500 and 12,000 years old.
  3. His nuclear genome is similar to the genomes of nearby Native Americans and carried no semitic or Middle Eastern DNA.
  4. He possesses an ancestral version of the maternal X2a lineage from which all Native American X2a lineages descend.
  5. Carbon and Nitrogen isotope analysis of his bones proved he was a hunter gatherer and lived at least 5,000-years-ago, well before human (i.e. Nephite) settlements based on plant and animal domestication had arisen.

The responsibility of defending the Heartland lies in the face of Kennewick Man has fallen upon David Read, a patent attorney with no scientific training, and fixed creationist beliefs. Read has attacked the scientific community’s interpretation of the scientific evidence gleaned from Kennewick Man's bones. In his book Face of a Nephite, Read lays out his case against the scientific experts who analysed Kennewick Man first hand. A team of about 50 of America’s leading forensic anthropologists studied the skeleton for several years. Read boasts that his “more complete analysis of the carbon dating for Kennewick Man shows that his correct age is within Book of Mormon timeframes”.

Read's response to Kennewick Man mirrors the conceit of Rodney Meldrum and Dean Sessions. Read made numerous foolish errors as he cherry-picked for evidence that fitted his creationist conclusions. Most of his errors relate to his misunderstanding of carbon dating.

Kennewick Man was extremely well preserved and scientists were able to purify collagen, a carbon-containing protein, from several of his bones. The only possible origin of the biologically complex collagen protein is Kennewick Man. Twelve independent radiocarbon tests on collagen isolated from several different bones revealed they were almost 9,000-year-old. Carbon-dating evidence does not get any more reliable.

Purely out of curiosity, the scientists also carbon-dated calcium carbonates associated with the bones. Bones and other organic objects that are buried deep in the ground for a very long time frequently become contaminated with carbon that washes down the soil profile. Rainwater carries dissolved carbon dioxide in the form of carbonic acid. As rainwater travels down...


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I was a lifelong member and 10th gen Mormon who dropped out of BYUI and left the church a few years ago. I recently got confirmation that my membership record was officially removed!

I’m doing a little celebration with (never Mormon) friends this week. We’re eating funeral potatoes and having a fire which I will be using to burn my last temple recommend.

What else should I do to commemorate this event and celebrate freedom from a cult?

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The original was posted on /r/exmormon by /u/RandomAssBean on 2025-08-03 02:12:35+00:00.


I got back from girls camp a couple days ago, I had some fun! I made some friends within my ward, and overall really enjoyed my ward time more than the stake time, I will make a whole separate post about the stake situation, as it was actually horrible.

But, on the last day of our stay, we did the faith walk activity. Basically, it was a walk containing small messages about Jesus Christ and the Gospel in general. Before we began, we were told to write a personal struggle or weakness we were dealing with. Me and some of my friends, put a little too much trust and put down some personal things.

Mine wasn't super personal, as I've shared on here, it's about how unsupported I feel sometimes being an exmormon.. That's what I wrote. In context of the activity, it was a bold move of mine because I'm literally surrounded by Mormons, but I assumed nobody would read it or show it... But, there is always a but.. During one of the sections of the walk, they put up what everyone wrote. I've never been more scared in my life 😭

MY PARENTS WERE THERE. I didn't really care if anyone else saw it, but my parents??? That's a different story. I was scared they would call me out on it or ask me about it, especially if they recognize my handwriting, as an agnostic.. I legit started heavily praying and crying. Some of the leaders came up to me and hugged me, I guess they assumed I was heavily feeling the spirit 💀

No girl. I was feeling my spirit LEAVE my body. I also felt super bad for my other friends who had done the same and had wrote down super personal things. I felt it was unfair, as the camp leaders said it was gonna be anonymous and didn't tell us it would be shown to others during the walk.

Name or no name, I felt a bit violated.. as I also saw some dude taking pictures of what people wrote.. That made me feel super uncomfortable. These are personal things that others wrote. I told my friends about it and they agreed that it was weird and a bit insensitive to take pictures of what people wrote.

But Yea, Idk, what do you guys think?

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Melchizedek Priesthood. Members are informed when getting it at the age of 18 that if they "turn away" they will not receive forgiveness, not in this life or the next. It's fear mongering and it works to make sure no one dares to even think of leaving. It's even in the scriptures. I forget which verse but my dad was reading scriptures today and that was the verse that was being read.

Edit: found the verse. D&C 84:40-41

40 Therefore, all those who receive the priesthood, receive this oath and covenant of my Father, which he cannot break, neither can it be moved. 41 But whoso breaketh this covenant after he hath received it, and altogether turneth therefrom, shall not have forgiveness of sins in this world nor in the world to come

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The original was posted on /r/exmormon by /u/HerelGoDigginInAgain on 2025-08-02 23:26:14+00:00.


I haven’t really participated in Exmo discourse in 5+ years but I’ve been struggling recently with my brother going back to the church after being the only family member I had who stood by me.

In my struggle I’ve been trying to find things to talk to him about to reconsider and what I’ve noticed is that Google results all seem to filter Mormon apologia to the top. When I search stuff related to Fanny Alger, all of the top results are FAIR and defenses against the CES Letter. Even Wikipedia seems to be whitewashed and the Google AI results try to muddy the waters.

Am I crazy or is the church using SEO to keep “anti-Mormon” stuff under wraps?

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The original was posted on /r/exmormon by /u/lost-in-translation- on 2025-08-02 22:39:54+00:00.


My wife and I just crossed the $1M net worth mark, and we’re both still in our 30s. We came from nothing — no family money, no windfalls, just regular jobs and a lot of financial discipline.

A major turning point came when we left the Church 8 years ago and stopped paying tithing. That 10% of gross income was no small amount, and redirecting it toward saving, investing, and building our future made a huge impact. Honestly, it was one of the most financially freeing decisions we’ve ever made.

Not here to brag — just wanted to share what’s possible when you reclaim your time, your money, and your priorities. Leaving was hard, but the long-term benefits (in more ways than one) have been real.

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“Looking specifically by gender, 32.5% of women in Utah report ever being told by a health professional that they have depression, nearly double the rate of men (19.5%). In addition, the percentage of Utah women reporting more than seven days of poor mental health over the previous 30 days is alarming—especially in the 18–34 age group (see Table 1) This data explains why WalletHub’s “Best & Worst States for Women in 2025” ranks Utah as one of the worst states (45th) in terms of depression rate for women.”

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The SEC stuff is what cracked my shelf but it wasn’t until my husband was a Branch President/Bishop. THIS calling of his is what broke my shelf completely. It made everything else unravel.

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I showed a picture to my friend of me, my TBM siblings and father all of us smiling. She said “wow- they really look like they don’t want to be there. But look at you- you’re so relaxed and happy!” I explained that they were doing the fake Mormon smile to show how happy they think they are.

But body language doesn’t lie and their stiff postures and faces show the constant struggle against cognitive dissonance and the stress of living up to impossible expectations. So maybe the light they say we no longer have is simply how a normal relaxed and content person looks like.

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The Pope gets paid $2,800 a month or $33,600 a year. The Archbishop of Canterbury (Angelican church) makes about £90,316. The Head of the Eastern Orthodox Church doesn’t get a salary. Can someone tell me why the 15 leaders of the mormon/lds church get total compensation of $219,000 a year, work 20-30 hours a week, get a brand new car every year (that they get to pick out) with paid taxes and licensure, get a free house and other juicy perks. They fly first-class (despite apologist denying it), have to sit in the cushy red chairs twice a year in front of everybody and occasionally give a talk that’s written by a professional speechwriter at General Conference. Why do the 15 leaders of the Mormon church get paid so much with really superior benefits? What do they do to justify their salaries? Aren’t the majority of them already millionaires/billionaires?

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I studied with missionaries for 5+ years and did a ton of personal research before betting baptized. Because of this, I didn’t experience the same feelings of betrayal that many members (especially those born in the church) go through when they learn difficult truths.

However, one slipped through the cracks…

As an investigator, I was told by countless missionaries and members that 100% of tithes go to building temples, keeping up church buildings, and giving to charity. Zero paid positions in the entire church. All volunteer work. Church money goes to feeding the hungry and giving wheelchairs to disabled kids.

And then I find out there are HUNDREDS of paid positions.

So now, whenever I’m in a conversation with a member or missionary who makes such a claim, I just list paid positions until they get uncomfortable and cut me off. I’ve never made it through the full list without being interrupted 😂

“Yes, no paid positions in the Church… Except the First Presidency. And the Quorum of the Twelve. And the first quorum of Seventy. And the presiding Bishopric. And anyone with “General” rather than “Area” in their title. And Church security detail. And some mission presidents. And Church accountants. And Church historians. And Church archivists. And Church magazine editors. And really just anyone at Church headquarters in SLC. And CES administrators. And CES teachers. And BYU staff. And Ensign college staff. And Family Search employees. And some temple presidents. And some temple office staff. And some temple custodian staff. And some engineers. And some groundskeepers. And technically anything involving Deseret and Bonneville, since they are Church owned.”

To be fair, I think these are all generally valid paid positions, and I’d even argue the Church would benefit from training and paying local clergy. But I was very surprised based on the narrative I’d been told as an investigator.

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Original Title: Calling all female exmos: with deconstruction of the MFMC often going hand-in-hand with deconstructing the harms of patriarchy, when is a time you truly felt unsafe in the presence of a Mormon man? Times where you look back and think, "WTF was that??"


I grew up with the teaching: "Mormons are better." Of course, this bled into: "Mormon men are better." They're safer. More respectful. Don't offer the same harms that men in the outside world do.

Ha.

Of the several stories I have, here's the one I'll share:

I'm 18 years old. 2,000 miles away from home and a newly-minted freshman at BYU. I'm picked up for an evening date (our third). Afterwards, the guy asks if I'd like to go for a drive, see his favorite temple. Having grown up in an area where the nearest temple was in another state, I was enamored with how beautiful UT temples looked in the dark, lit against their mountainous backdrops. (I feel differently now.)

I assumed this temple was close by. (There were already six or seven between Provo and SLC at the time I lived there.) I did not know Utah geography very well and he assured me it was a quick drive.

By the time we get to Manti (fucking MANTI), it's past midnight and I am panicking. I don't know where I am, my phone is almost dead, I'm painfully aware three dates does not make a person well-known, and this man has done nothing but talk about celestial marriage ("It's so much better than till death do you part. I can't wait to find my eternal spouse."), and how many kids he wants ("How many do you want? Five seems like a good number, wouldn't you say?"), and how he'll get married in whichever temple his wife wants to get married in ("What's your home temple again? Would you ever consider getting married in Utah?"), and how women are always attractive but seeing them in winter coats is his favorite ("They're so covered up and modest. It's the fucking cutest."), and finally ends with: "Wow, it's really late. You know, I have a buddy that lives close by. I should call him. He'll be happy to let us crash at his place."

I somehow managed to decline and he somehow managed to accept my wishes to drive back home. ("Are you sure? He really wouldn't mind.") To be fair, I fully assumed this "buddy" wasn't a real person. The prospect of this friend not answering his phone and my date then suggesting we search for a hotel room was high on my list of possibilities. He finally conceded when I told him I had a talk or lesson or something to give in church the next day (total and utter lie) and that I didn't feel prepared to give it. So we drive home, mostly in silence. I either (a) pretended to fall asleep, or (b) have blocked out that part of our trip because I was too busy saying whatever I needed to say and being as agreeable as possible to best ensure I'd make it home safely.

Things could have ended so much worse. In so many similar situations, they do end up worse.

He was a returned missionary. He knew my older brother. I'd already gone on two dates with him (after the disastrous third one, I picked apart all the tiny red flags I'd missed on the first two).

I think there are a lot of good guys both in and out of religion. But I don't think the good guys realize how easily the "bad" guys hide in plain sight. How many there are in the MFMC. How much women are affected by seemingly benign things. How easy it is to assume: "That? That was harmless. He didn't mean it. He had good intentions, he was just a little clueless. Give him some grace."

I also realize that while this post has the potential to be a safe place for those who choose to share their stories, it may very well hold a triggering well of comments for many others. Please proceed with caution as you read.

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Being neurodivergent and taking everything literally, and dealing with the conditioning of the church as a woman...

I took all the advice given to me about dating, very literally. And this was mostly from old conservative men, as well as from the Young Women's leaders who instilled very antiquated patriarchal ideals as well.

It did not go well, as I'm sure you can imagine.

My first date at 16 was a group date for a high school dance. Some old crusty church leader had told us teenage girls "don't get out of the car until the guy opens the door for you." And so I sat there in my poofy dress, while everyone else got out of the car... and my date, who I barely knew because I never talked to guys, was flustered as he had to circle back and open the door for me.

I didn't enjoy it one bit and felt horribly awkward, but I thought I had to. It was ridiculous, and thank god I never did that again 😂

Thank gods I'm out, but I'm definitely still doing work to undo all of the programming. New things pop up all the time that make me realize how much of me was programmed by TSCC

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Brigham knew that I was not a man who liked to take life. I was well known as one that stood high in the confidence of Brigham, and was close-mouthed and reliable. I knew of many men being killed in Nauvoo by the Danites. It was then the rule that all the enemies of the Prophet Joseph should be killed, and I know of many a man who was quietly put out of the way by the orders of Joseph and his apostles while the Church was there. It has always been a well understood doctrine of the Church that it is right and praiseworthy to kill every person who speaks evil of the Prophet. This doctrine was strictly lived up to in Utah, until the Gentiles arrived in such numbers that it became unsafe to follow the practice; but the doctrine is believed, and no year passes without one or more of those who have spoken evil of Brigham being killed, in a secret manner. Springfield, Utah, was one of the Church hotbeds, and more men were killed there, in proportion to population, than in any other part of Utah. In that settlement it was certain death to say a word against the authorities, high or low.

Brother Warren Snow was bishop of the Church at Manti, San Pete County, Utah. He had several wives, but there was a fair young woman in the town that Snow wanted for a wife. He made love to her with all his powers, went to parties where she was, visited her at her home, and proposed to make her his wife. She thanked him for the honor offered, but told him she was engaged to a young man, a member of the Church, and consequently could not marry the old priest.

This was no sufficient reason to Brother Snow. He told her it was the will of God that she should marry him, and she must do so; that the young man could be got rid of - sent on a mission or dealt with in some way so as to release her from her engagement; that, in fact, a promise made to the young man was not binding when she was informed that it was contrary to the wishes of the authorities.

The girl continued obstinate.

The "teachers" of the town visited her and advised her to marry Bishop Snow. Her parents, under the orders of the Counselors of the Bishop, also insisted that their daughter marry the old man.

She still refused.

Then the authorities called on the young man and directed him to give up the girl. This he steadfastly declined to do. He was promised Church preferment, celestial rewards, and everything that could be thought of - all to no purpose. He said he would die before he would surrender his intended wife.

This resistance of authority by the young people made Bishop Snow more anxious than ever to marry the girl. The young man was ordered on a mission to some distant locality. But the mission was refused.

It was then determined that the rebellious young man should be forced by harsh treatment to respect the advice and orders of the Priesthood. His fate was left to Bishop Snow.

It was decided to call a meeting of the people who lived true to counsel, to be held in the schoolhouse in Manti, at which the young man should be present, and dealt with according to Snow's will. The meeting was called. The young man was there, and was again requested to surrender the young woman to Snow, but he refused.

The lights were then put out. An attack was made on the young man. He was tied down with his back to a bench, when Bishop Snow took a bowie knife and slashed and mutilated him. They left the young man weltering in his blood. During the night he succeeded in releasing himself from his confinement, and dragged himself to some haystacks, where he lay until the next day, when he was discovered by friends. The young man has been an idiot or quiet lunatic ever since.

Bishop Snow took soon occasion to get up another meeting at the schoolhouse, so as to have the people of Manti and the young woman that he wanted to marry attend the meeting. When all had assembled the old man talked to the people about their duty to the Church, their obligation to obey counsel and the dangers of refusal; and called attention to the case of the young man. The young woman was sealed to Bishop Snow.

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Does anyone else struggle to shut up and keep their exmo thoughts and feelings inside? Seeking advice to do better!

I need help. I think I’m getting written up or fired today because I let my anger and hurt spill out on the job and offended my coworker. I said antagonistic things about the church and temple ceremonies, which is sacred to TBMs. It’s common in Utah to drop the name or topics of MFMC. I admit responsibility for disrespecting my coworkers beliefs.

I fit the description that apologists say: they can leave the church but they won’t leave it alone. I have 7 hours left in my shift I’m waiting for my boss to come back (10 hour shift job) and give me discipline. My ego says “let them be upset” but I’m usually a caring person and feel sad that I hurt a good person who is a TBM.

For reference, this is a supplemental income job, so it won’t be a crisis if I’m let go. However, I’ve gotten myself into a few uncomfortable situations like before this at my primary job. I live in Mordor Mormon Central. I left the church 1.5 years ago; and I have ADHD and sometime lack a filter and impulse control. These aren’t excuses for what I’ve done, but hopefully give context.

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The original was posted on /r/exmormon by /u/Prancing-Hamster on 2025-08-02 15:31:57+00:00.


Now that we have deconstructed, my wife and I look at each other in disbelief watching movies we have seen before, because famous quotes take on new meanings now.

For example:

Oaks saying research is not the answer = “You can’t handle the truth!”

Women suffering through polygamy and misogyny = “Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.”

Tithing settlement = “Show me the money!”

Building temples and Adam-ondi-Ahman = “If you build it he will come.”

The second coming = “I’ll be back.”

Do you have others?

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The original was posted on /r/exmormon by /u/thelostandlonely on 2025-08-02 17:42:50+00:00.


My niece is very autistic. While she is verbal, she has the vocabulary and ability of her 4 year old brother. But she just turned 8. So of course, they HAD to get her baptized.

  • Because "all her friends are doing it". Are they her friends? Or just the kids in her primary class? Yes, she's been to their baptisms, but she absolutely doesn't understand what they were for.
  • Because if they wait a few years, she'll have to go through the Missionary Discussions.
  • Because it wouldn't look good.
  • Because of family pressure.

It took a lot of coaxing to get her through the door to the font. More to get her into the water. They couldn't get through the short baptismal prayer without her shouting how much she didn't want to do this. They had to hold her under longer than usual to make sure they got her flailing hands under. She came up sputtering and yelling.

Y'all, they just tortured an 8 year old for no reason that she can possibly understand. I'm absolutely livid and I have no one to bitch to since I'm the only one out.

I remember how terrified I was about the whole thing. And I had a full understanding of what it meant, but was (and still am) terrified whenever my head goes underwater.

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